I'm going to try to remove my bias here, but still recognize that it skews to Pence a bit. Still, I think I would have viewed him as the winner even if I didn't have that preference.

Pence only had one real flaw in that he stuck too long on the 'Trump will not raise your taxes' points when there were other opportunities to attack Harris. Ultimately though, that's the biggest issue with his performance - there were a lot of potential openings Kamala set up that he didn't address because she created so many. Stuff like 'if you care so much about racial unity, then why are you running with a man you were calling racist in the primaries?'

Then again, "not taking every single opening his opponent gives" isn't a bad problem to have, and he did get some pretty good ones in (bringing up her record as a prosecutor after she tried to frame it as being beneficial to racial tensions, attacking her and Biden's backpedaling on supporting the GND, pointing out that she and Biden would stack the courts and even threw out the line that they were changing the rules because they lost, explicitly debunking the 'fine people' hoax). The only thing that leftists have is a moment when a fly landed on his hair.

Harris dodged questions to talk about completely unrelated tangents and allegories, such as when she was asked about her stance on China and, instead, she gave a sappy recollection of her advancement in politics. Besides that, she gave a lot of the same talking points we've heard since 2016 (muh Russia) and the recent NPC programming (muh income tax). Perhaps the worst part was when she felt the need to try to explicitly define basic words, stuff like 'He was in debt (looks to camera) Do you know what debt means? It means he owes money to someone else" as if the audience listening to her need Blue's Clues-levels of talking down to.

A good summary can be seen in the end, when they presented a question allegedly written by an eighth grader, asking what the candidate would do to bring the country together, since the news showed division and people arguing all the time. Pence thanked the girl and said that there's a disconnect between the reality portrayed in the debate stage and how Americans treat each other, and that we'll always come together no matter our views, and Harris used the opportunity to try to plug Biden and give lip service to the question, saying he'll bring America together without any specifics.

I'm going to try to remove my bias here, but still recognize that it skews to Pence a bit. Still, I think I would have viewed him as the winner even if I didn't have that preference.

Pence only had one real flaw in that he stuck too long on the 'Trump will not raise your taxes' points fwhen there were other opportunities to attack Harris. Ultimately though, that's the biggest issue with his performance - there were a lot of potential openings Kamala set up that he didn't address because she created so many. Stuff like 'if you care so much about racial unity, then why are you running with a man you were calling racist in the primaries?'

Then again, "not taking every single opening his opponent gives" isn't a bad problem to have, and he did get some pretty good ones in (bringing up her record as a prosecutor after she tried to frame it as being beneficial to racial tensions, attacking her and Biden's backpedaling on supporting the GND, pointing out that she and Biden would stack the courts and even threw out the line that they were changing the rules because they lost, explicitly debunking the 'fine people' hoax). The only thing that leftists have is a moment when a fly landed on his hair.

Harris dodged questions to talk about completely unrelated tangents and allegories, such as when she was asked about her stance on China and, instead, she gave a sappy recollection of her advancement in politics. Besides that, she gave a lot of the same talking points we've heard since 2016 (muh Russia) and the recent NPC programming (muh income tax). Perhaps the worst part was when she felt the need to try to explicitly define basic words, stuff like 'He was in debt (looks to camera) Do you know what debt means? It means he owes money to someone else" as if the audience listening to her need Blue's Clues-levels of talking down to.

A good summary can be seen in the end, when they presented a question allegedly written by an eighth grader, asking what the candidate would do to bring the country together, since the news showed division and people arguing all the time. Pence thanked the girl and said that there's a disconnect between the reality portrayed in the debate stage and Americans, and that when we need to, we'll come together no matter our views, and Harris used the opportunity to try to plug Biden and give lip service to the question, saying he'll bring America together without any specifics.

I'm going to try to remove my bias here, but still recognize that it skews to Pence a bit. Still, I think I would have viewed him as the winner even if I didn't have that preference.

Pence only had one real flaw in that he stuck too long on the 'Trump will not raise your taxes' points fwhen there were other opportunities to attack Harris. Ultimately though, that's the biggest issue with his performance - there were a lot of potential openings Kamala set up that he didn't address because she created so many. Stuff like 'if you care so much about racial unity, then why are you running with a man you were calling racist in the primaries?'

Then again, "not taking every single opening his opponent gives" isn't a bad problem to have, and he did get some pretty good ones in (bringing up her record as a prosecutor after she tried to frame it as being beneficial to racial tensions, attacking her and Biden's backpedaling on supporting the GND, pointing out that she and Biden would stack the courts and even threw out the line that they were changing the rules because they lost, explicitly debunking the 'fine people' hoax). The only thing that leftists have is a moment when a fly landed on his hair.

Harris dodged questions to talk about completely unrelated tangents and allegories, such as when she was asked about her stance on China and, instead, she gave a sappy recollection of her advancement in politics.

A good summary can be seen in the end, when they presented a question allegedly written by an eighth grader, asking what the candidate would do to bring the country together, since the news showed division and people arguing all the time. Pence thanked the girl and said that there's a disconnect between the reality portrayed in the debate stage and Americans, and that when we need to, we'll come together no matter our views, and Harris used the opportunity to try to plug Biden and give lip service to the question, saying he'll bring America together without any specifics.