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1776timesinfinity 0 points ago +1 / -1

Obama has them

Obama does not have any of his presidential records. They belong to the National Archives and are being stored in warehouses belonging to that institution, who have said Obama cannot access them and has not attempted to do so.

Jimmy Carter had them

Much of Jimmy Carter's records belong to him as they were created before the passage of the Presidential Records Act.

It is NOT illegal for a former President to have classified documents.

This is not true.

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1776timesinfinity 4 points ago +5 / -1

The visas and stamps they contain likely constitute presidential records. Otherwise, why would they have taken an expired passport? If he's not under arrest, he can easily obtain travel documents to replace them.

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1776timesinfinity 0 points ago +1 / -1

Biden didn't qualify his statement, leaving it open to the widest possible interpretation.

The interpretation you're suggesting he should have accounted for would only be arrived at by an extremely ignorant person who made no effort to understand what he or she was hearing. We can't do that every time we speak.

If Biden could ban it completely, he would.

Great. If the meme said that and not a lie about him banning it entirely, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

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1776timesinfinity 1 point ago +2 / -1

He didn't ban fracking. He put a moratorium on new leases on federal land, which comprises less than ten percent of all reserves. Producing wells declined briefly due to reduced demand but are increasing rapidly at the moment:

https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/drilling/

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1776timesinfinity 0 points ago +1 / -1

So - if there is no enforcement mechanism in place; why was the FBI performing a raid

Most importantly, to get the documents back and use them to determine the extent of possible leaks of classified information. Also presumably to support possible charges under auspices other than the Presidential Records Act.

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1776timesinfinity 1 point ago +1 / -0

If your "hey, you left all this stuff out" argument seeks to point out times when he stalled the NARA for months when he was legally obliged to turn over all his records to the NARA immediately after leaving office, gave them incomplete records, ripped up documents and stored SAP records at a home where hundreds of people passed through, where does that leave you?

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1776timesinfinity 1 point ago +2 / -1

They knew that the vaccine would case heart issues in 1/300 boys/young men, as the Thailand study is showing now, but believed that the issues were minor

They were correct. Nearly all cases of myocarditis side effects are transient and resolve quickly with no intervention. The actual rate of serious cardiac side effects was and remains very low.

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1776timesinfinity 0 points ago +1 / -1

Thats not how investigations work - if they do not know what they are looking for then how are they going to search for it? I would like a good example of him being asked to provide some actual information along the lines of "mr trump do you have nuke codes at Mara lago?" and him being evasive ~ the only thing even close was people demanding his taxes; which I believe he already had "leaked" the first time his privacy was violated.

This definitely isn't how investigations work. First, if you believe someone has a piece of evidence at a remote location, you don't ask them for that specific piece of evidence. Second, Trump already had been given several chances to return documents the National Archives believed was missing. This is what I meant by evasiveness. A partial timeline:

May 2021

An official from NARA contacts Trump's team after realizing that several important documents weren't handed over before Trump left the White House. In hopes of locating the missing items, NARA lawyer Gary Stern reaches out to someone who served in the White House counsel's office under Trump, who was the point of contact for record-keeping matters. The missing documents include some of Trump's correspondence with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, as well as the map of Hurricane Dorian that Trump infamously altered with a sharpie pen.

Fall 2021

NARA grows frustrated with the slow pace of document turnover after several months of conversations with the Trump team. Stern reaches out to another Trump attorney to intervene. The archivist asks about several boxes of records that were apparently taken to Mar-a-Lago during Trump's relocation to Florida. NARA still doesn't receive the White House documents they are searching for.

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1776timesinfinity 2 points ago +2 / -0

The Department of Justice did not make any claims about improperly handling classified documents. The 3 criminal statues in the warrant have nothing to do with classification status.

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1776timesinfinity -2 points ago +2 / -4

You're misinterpreting the text of the warrant. They didn't intend or want to seize every document -- those were the parameters of the warrant, probably because Trump had been so evasive about what he had that they had little idea what they'd find, and they aren't unusual for a search warrant. The problem is that people like Filton, and you, aren't well-informed enough to know what you're looking at.

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1776timesinfinity -2 points ago +2 / -4

This isn't true. What they're talking about is the fact that paper documents haven't been digitized yet. Those documents are in the possession of the National Archives and Records Agency, who have confirmed this.

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1776timesinfinity -3 points ago +2 / -5

It's not an "offense;" he's absolutely correct, and the National Archives, who owns the records, said exactly the same thing. The documents are in warehouses, they transported them there, and Obama has no access to them.

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1776timesinfinity -4 points ago +1 / -5

This is a misinterpretation. They have all the records, we're waiting for them to be digitized and there is some dispute over whether Obama or the National Archives should pay for this since digitizing all of them rather than building a brick-and-mortar library was Obama's initiative.

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1776timesinfinity -6 points ago +1 / -7

Actually the source is the National Archives and Records Agency, who confirmed they have all the records and that Obama has no access to them and followed all applicable laws when turning them over.

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1776timesinfinity -3 points ago +2 / -5

What makes them handled properly, but Trump’s wasn’t?

This is a pretty easy question to answer, actually. At the conclusion of his presidency Obama turned over all his records to the NARA, who owned them the moment his presidency ended. The NARA then proceeded to transport them to various storage facilities independently. Trump did not turn over various records to the NARA despite them owning those records following the end of his presidency, and instead kept them at his residence. Here's a statement made on the issue by the NARA:

"The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) assumed exclusive legal and physical custody of Obama Presidential records when President Barack Obama left office in 2017, in accordance with the Presidential Records Act (PRA). NARA moved approximately 30 million pages of unclassified records to a NARA facility in the Chicago area where they are maintained exclusively by NARA. Additionally, NARA maintains the classified Obama Presidential records in a NARA facility in the Washington, DC, area. As required by the PRA, former President Obama has no control over where and how NARA stores the Presidential records of his Administration."

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1776timesinfinity -3 points ago +4 / -7

Well, Tom Fitton, after calling it a scam, could have made any attempt at all to explain why.

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1776timesinfinity 1 point ago +3 / -2

This is impossible. The records and correspondence generated by his administration in 4 years would a) represent many times this much material and b) almost certainly not all be stored at Mar a Lago.

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1776timesinfinity -2 points ago +1 / -3

Garland demanded the seizure of literally any record Trump ever saw, read or created ...

This isn't what the text in the warrant means. It's laying out the definitions of what constitutes material that can be taken and investigated, which is completely normal. It is not suggesting that all such materials be seized.

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1776timesinfinity 1 point ago +2 / -1

Obama didn't take any documents. He enlisted the National Archives, who automatically became the owners of the documents following the conclusion of his presidency, to transport the documents to a warehouse in Chicago owned by the National Archives, where they are awaiting digitization.

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1776timesinfinity 1 point ago +5 / -4

It was reported by dozens of new outlets. The source of information is receipts and invoices originating from Trump's own businesses obtained The Washington Post. None of these claims were ever disputed by Trump, the White House or any employee or spokesperson of the named businesses.

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