Secession is for quitters and criminals; and helps the commies.
I'm thinking he's on this problem and working away.
All the solutions already existed; the unsolveable problem has been trying to get them past the gatekeepers to get the info to him.
Look. It's real simple.
99% of all our problems are because we are not following the US Constitution as written.
Don't need to "change" anything, just enforce the The US Constitution as written.
The USA already did Civil 1.0 over this issue.
Texas doesn't get to, as per the US CONSTITUTION & SCOTUS (1869/1870)
Marxism is like a zomie-plague, you can run, flee, hid, but it will keep coming for you, your family, your property, your freedoms. Surrendering ground to commies isn't a winning strategy. And guess what, they'll still move there, legally or not.
Cowards and quitters is not High Energy.
DJT does not support leaving The UNION.
We grow the USA as per Manifest Destiny, not shrink it.
Evil. Helping Evil is what you're proposing. The road to hell is paved with good intentions; stop laying more bricks in that road. Around here, Bricks go in the wall.
Yes. That group though, is NOT a good one.
Redpill: Know it or not, Your account is one of the most evil in all the years on the DOM.
The USA already did Civil 1.0 over this issue.
Texas doesn't get to, as per the US SCOTUS (1869/1870)
Sucession is not peace. You're forked tonged devil speak is showing.
Marxism is like a zomie-plague, you can run, flee, hid, but it will keep coming for you, your family, your property, your freedoms. Surrendering ground to commies isn't a winning strategy. And guess what, they'll still move there, legally or not.
Cowards and quitters is not High Energy.
DJT does not support leaving The UNION.
We grow the USA as per Manifest Destiny, not shrink it.
What you propose, will help the Lefties just like their false flags on the 6th; and not help AMERICA or Liberty or DJT or Pedes.
As the Dems have been pushing hard for Civil War 2.0 for years now; you're going to give them the exact thing they need... well coordinated DNC/shariablue/CCP/fool.
The end results no matter how you look at it, is millions of dead if what you propose goes forward. We're trying to stop the Commies & Criminals, not help them.
Evil. Helping Evil is what you're proposing. The road to hell is paved with good intentions; stop laying more bricks in that road. Around here, Bricks go in the wall.
Whoever told you or whereever you came up with the idea, please cleans yourself of that evil which you propose; and please don't spread the evil or carry it's water.
Why are they allowed to teach this shit to kids? Fucking unbelievable the amount of insanity being preached to people.
It's called evil & child abuse. & Dems/LEFTIES do it for evil marxism's goals/objectives.
During my first press conference as president, in answer to a direct question, I pointed out that, as good Marxist-Leninists, the Soviet leaders have openly and publicly declared that the only morality they recognize is that which will further their cause, which is world revolution." — Ronald Reagan
I really don't mean to be wordy or run-on long, so please do forgive my length and high energy. I think it's important to try to explain and redpills sometimes take awhile to properly dispense.
1A.) In my area, all MAGA that would run for office are Republicans (with the vast majority, lifetime republicans.) There are a few non-MAGA republicans which over-represent in the "elected officials", these are mostly the Mittens-types; these control the local party apparatus until now, because they control the majority of fundraising (aka big money. From Private equity, banking, Wall St, back-room deals, gov contracts, land developers, corporate boardroom-types; read like most places; money from outside the jurisidiction funds these non-MAGA types into office and keeps them in office.)
1B.) So third party or not, your question is basically just like the Primary process where a MAGA republican and a Mittens RINO republican face off; and I vote the MAGA Republican. But no matter who wins this primary; I'll be voting for the Republican bc the Dems have evil commie marxist El Che Castro Mao Stalin Kultural Enricher candidate.
1C.) The only difference is with a 3rd party; then it's like removing the party primary process; and in the general election it's MAGA vs Mittens vs Commie; and this means the Commie wins bc the Maga and Mittens votes cause not just vote splitting; but the Dems smell blood in the water, and pour more resources (and cheating) in for the steal. Especially if this is for a contest that will then decide things like redistricting etc.
1D.) This is why, all the 3rd party Maga lion patriot etc stuff is functionally the SAME thing as primarying RINOs and Swamp creatures to remove them. But doing a "real" third party will result in Dems winning all over places which Republicans control right now (aka places Dems and commies don't control right now). So even if the time/money/etc wasn't an issue; the fact is a 'real' 3rd party would cause Dems to win a whole lot; this is how it works, lots of election history, data, and real experience proves it over and over.
2.) This is how you know if someone is really involved in the Republican Party or not. Or if their experiences are more from Democratic Party politics.
Democrats do things like "Super-Delegates" (which Bill Clinton added in; but in a way was still HOW they did it just more informally beforehand). Superdelegates mean that those "high ranking current and former elected officials of the party" control The Dem Party as an organization. The same way Nancy completely controls the House (unconstitutionally); or LBJ's rules of Senate Majority Leader which are still in effect today, that let Mitch (unconstituionally) run the Senate like a 1 man show.
"The Republican Party" is the constituents. It's the opposite of how the Dems run their party. Being a Republican elected official, means you get to think for yourself, "The Party" isn't telling you to be a rubber stamp or "ceremonial role" for their central-planned agenda. Yes, there were times when some Republican operations ran this way (think Bush years) but overall in the history of the party; there isn't the same "lockstep" centralized command and control like the Commies have.
This is why asking for a "that are party-line MAGA roll call list" is a leftie purity command and control way of looking at it. This is like guilty until proven innocent or collective punishment concepts; and The Republican Party doesn't operate this way. If officials did/wanted to, they'd just join the Dems instead, and receive their marching orders from above. Similar to how commie military troops have much stricter (and top down) command and control, and Americans tend to have more individualized CnC where individual (bottom/front line) leaders make the decisions within a broader framework/objectives.
So when people like me that have been in and around The Republican Party for a long time; say "The Party" or "the GOP" we are speaking of all us Americans in the Party. When Lefties/marxist media talk about "The GOP" they mostly mean the "sunday tv show guest list" of leadership RINOs/swampcreatures/deepstaters in DC, that hold "power" on comittees/chairs "leadership" roles (and occassionally the POTUS (eg Bush 1 or 2) or RNC chair too eg M. Steele/Romeny; or someone like Karl Rove who wielded power when he was doing his thing.)
So to those NOT involved with the Party itself, particularly if they are recoving democrats or have injested bluepills from the media; they tend to label the GOP and The Party as the equivalent to DC power wielders.
*hugs I didn't mean to say you can't be pissed; just saying the Gestapo & Stasi & Lefties are increasing their very real (violences and) roundups here in the US; and there's not much time to pause and be pissed or grieve atm.
Perhaps it's time for Operation Paperclip & Underground Railroad again.
Here on the Front Lines, my family hasn't running water for 2 years now, commies and corrupt cut it off. Mom kidnapped/tortured/starve/thirested for 17 days in June w/o warrant/papers/judge. Grandma unlawfully held since Oct 2019. Very real bad stuff coming to many thousands very soon by these evil commies and corrupt; not much time to avoid or stop it.
Wishing you were here, or we were there!
*hugs.
Okay I found some of your past questions here on this comment of yours.
1.) There generally aren't enough candidates to fill up all the contests even in 2020; this is part of the "leadership gap" I talk about. When a bunch of "new to politics no names" fill a ballot, it dilutes the vote totals significantly for each; thus this would hand Dems wins in many contests at the local and State Level (as it did with T.R. and FDR and 1992 with Ross Perot in the ballot cycles.)
2.) The 90%+ i'm talking about is THE PARTY as in American citizens like myself; not the office holders. There is a lag, like an automatic transmission that slips; between what the "voters" in a/the Party want, and the "officeholders" do. This is how our Republic is designed, we are NOT a Democracy. So the amount of time, money, pressing the flesh, etc with voters as a candidate, it takes usually a few election cycles for a "new" candidate to have enough name recognition/support to win their jurisdiction. So even like 1980 Reagan Landslide, there was members elected to congress on his coattails, but they weren't (yet) Reagan MAGA supporters per se.
This lag can be sped up by doing things like "the platform" to build some concensus around what to do (goals and means to achieve them); and other things like leadership & candidate training.
There's been VERY little leadership & candidate training these DJT years, and there was zero Platform at the 2020 convention! These are the exact things which HAVE to get done to have a sucessful party at the ballot box and in governing.
3.) DJT created his 2015/6 list of promises based on (having some of his staff) to do research before he even announced his run. He had them listen to talk radio, forums, news, etc and listen to not what the guest/host/anchor was saying; but to take notes on what the comments by callers/republican public was saying; and present it to him in summarized reports. So DJT knew where the majority of the Republican Party voters (and American People) were on issues like immigration, the wall, etc. These positions didn't always (usually not) sit with existing elected officials at any level; since obviously most of them help create/perpetuate/ignore the problem(s) in the first-place.
4.) So where any group of Legislatures that thinks for themselves is going to be different. This is different than how mob-boss type "leaders" run the Speakership in the House, or Senate, or their Statehouses. The type that looks for yes-men/women to fill up seats (usually with fraudulent elections) and pass tons of "laws/bills" like say FDR era in spades or W.Wilson, or in places like CA where the Dems have cheated their way to a supermajority to pass whatever "laws" they wanted no matter how evil and unconstitutional they are.
5.) Creating new parties doesn't solve any of the above at all; that's just not how parties or politics or our Republic works. Remember 99% of these "problems" our country faces is because the US Constitution is (intentionally) being ignored or violated in the first place. Repealing a whole bunch of laws/regs/rules would "solve" nearly all these problems.
The "party" as an organization and institution, doesn't operate or work like this.
The "GOP leaders" as in the ones within the Party as an Organization likely other than RNC Chair Romeny, most people don't even know their names. The "Leadership in congress" as in "swamp creatures" Mitch & Ryan & McCarthy, etc are NOT the GOP they are NOT the "Republican Party". The QB & Center a Football team is not the coach, Team owner, or NFL commissioner or the Board of Directors.
Do ask your question again for ease.
And DJT DIDN'T stand by HIS MAGA candidate in office in my area at the time. I can say, Trump did "endorse" a swamp creature on my ballot that replaced the MAGA Candidate. The MAGA candidate like Trump keeps his word, the swamp creature plays footsie with the rest in DC.
Not a GOP shill. I've been a lifelong republican, so were my parents ...
See that's just it, people have BAILED OUT, when DJT didn't bail out of the party. People are being spurred on by the same forces who always do it.
When you have principles, including loyality and sticking things out especially when they get tough; rather than switching teams for the "grass being greener"; then it's real easy to answer the question. Like the 'rogue mod' if can't stick through even when the Lefties/deepstate/etc are kidnapping/torturing/killing you or your family, not just threats, then shouldn't be in the top spots; bc this is what the evil-doers do to their opponents. (of which I and my family have experienced in spades, the very real not the threat.)
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Brother arcanicided 20 years ago.
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I've been tortured/etc.
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Oct 2019 Grandma was taken and unlawfully held still to this day.
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June 2020 Mom was unlawfully taken/tortured/starved/thirsted/etc. for 17 days.
etc.
We're HOLDING THE LINE, the VERY FRONT LINES for a very long time now.
The only way DJT would start a 3rd party is if he was under duress. And to support him wouldn't be to follow his praetorian guard overlords instructions.
Okay, then tell me what do you think that the "MAGA Party Platform" stands for; and what do you think the Republican Party Platform of DJT in 2020 Stands/stood for?
MAGA = Republican Party
Bc it's an absolutely shit question (for many reasons). eg If your spouse/significant left you for another person, would you do a 3-way with both of them? You might as well be asking, "if Trump destroyed the Republican Party and handed complete control of all 3 branches of government as well as control over the Statehouses, over to the Democrats/Lefties/Commies/Antifa; would you support him?"
DJT already looked at starting a 3rd party for decades. He decided to be and join the Republican Party. HE IS A REPUBLICAN PARTY PRESIDENT.
DJT controls the vast majority of support WITHIN the Republican Party (90+%). It's like Pedes after all these years still don't get or understand: Commie psy-ops; rumors; shit policial advice; not understanding how the lefties/commies operate/do things; etc.
If DJT creates a 3rd party to destroy the Republican Party, he's doing it under duress and will take his name from "nieve President Hindenburg" handing the keys over to the marxists; down to below "intentional Benedict Arnold" in the history books if the LEFTIES continue their very fast march to total power and bad stuff.
ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS DJT WON'T ALLOW HIM TO BE USED AS A TOOL OF THE LEFTIES TO DESTROY AMERICA!
Trump already has the votes and support to lead from within the Republican Party. Trump never went in and cleaned it up; just as he never went into the DOJ and FIB to clean them up either; or the WH hiring process; or the WH Press Corps; etc.
If Trump wants to lead the Republican Party he can, including right this day. Did he ever say, "hey we need thousands of you to fill up the empty Precinct Chairs which are vacant in the Republican Party so we can get the swamp creatures out". Or again something as absolutely politically basic when it comes to "a political party" is "the (policy) platform". Yet this last year's 'Convention' didn't even have "a platform", like the "Build the Wall, Lock Her Up, Drain the Swamp, etc."
Not doing these basic things in the Republican Party, and yet starting a 3rd party would required doing these things and a WHOLE lot more. Again, if a person doesn't mow their lawn, moving to a new house solves the problem for a short while, but that lawn is going to need mowing too. Got to learn to and have the time/money to do the chores: mow, take out the trash, do repairs, etc. in addition to the "fancy stuff" like having dinner parties(fundraising).
We all know that Trump has gotten some very bad advice over the years; and if creating a 3rd party is on that list, it is right at the top of the list. At least 10-40% of Republicans and Trump supporters know about Bull Moose; and will see the foolishness and bad advice, and wont switch; this would leave the Dems in full power including in State Legislatures. It's like the trap on the 6th, or not cleaning up the FIB(muh special prosecutor); at least half the people will see the Dem/Leftie trap coming.
Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but the democrats believe every day is April 15." — Ronald Reagan
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Republicans = For our REPUBLIC
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Democrats = For turning our Republic, into a muh Democracy
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Lefties = For turning muh democracy, into a Commietopia.
These past two weeks and more now, the Dems/Lefties are rounding up their political enemies by the hundreds, by the thousands, and in the not to distant future; the only thing that will be standing in their way of total power is The Republican Party as an institution, is the only institution left that the marxists don't control or have the claws into.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bull_moose_party
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_Republic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_long_march_through_the_institutions
MAGA = REPUBLICAN. DJT shortened Ronald Reagan's 1980 "Let's Make America Great Again" for better branding and to trademark it. DJT didn't invent the MAGA platform.
The Republican Party is the party based completely on the Make America Great Again Platform. Other than the neo-con Bushes (and maybe Progressive(marxism) T.R. and a few other bits); the vast entire history of the Republican Party is MAGA:
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Against foreign wars & entanglements.
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Put tarrifs up.
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Law & Order/Rule of Law.
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Domestic manufacturing.
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Lower Taxes. Less Government.
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Strong US Dollar.
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Against immorality. For Families. For personal responsibility.
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For private business (not gov takeovers).
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Extreme vetting. No slavery. Not mass importation of serfs or illegals or America-haters, only come in legally and who love America & Americans.
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Strong borders. For Manifest Destiny.
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Against marxism/communism.
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Pro 2A.
etc etc etc.
Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but the democrats believe every day is April 15." — Ronald Reagan
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Republicans = For our REPUBLIC
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Democrats = For turning our Republic, into a muh Democracy
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Lefties = For turning muh democracy, into a Commietopia.
These past two weeks and more now, the Dems/Lefties are rounding up their political enemies by the hundreds, by the thousands, and in the not to distant future; the only thing that will be standing in their way of total power is The Republican Party as an institution, is the only institution left that the marxists don't control or have the claws into.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_long_march_through_the_institutions
Very important, read the first top few paragraphs of the Weimar Republic page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_Republic
The time to put in a sprinkler system, smoke alarm, or come up with an evacuation kit & plan, is not when the fire is starting/burning.
To quote and expand Abe Lincoln, if you give him 6-8 hours to chop down a tree, he'll spend the first many hours sharpening his axe; but if you only have an hour, you can't spend 4-6 hours sharpening.
The preparations which needed to be done for stopping the Lefties/Commies hasn't been done; and they are marching very fast.
Dear OP whoever you are, the "GOP" is not what the left labels it as; learn which team your on.
Marxism vs Liberty. Democrats vs Republicans. Democracy/Commietopia vs Republic.
If you're trying to break, split, or destroy The Republican Party-- the ONE Institution which marxist do not control from their Long March-- then you're on the Lefties' side.
If Dems didn't steal the WH, and DJT was in it, we wouldn't be even having this 3rd Party bs conversation (again). Focus on the Dems. Stop the intraparty nonsense. Send the arsonists back to the Left which they come from.
Please don't use and spread the marxists vocab for them.
Dems stole the 2020 Election (not just joe but K.H. and their unelected, unamed Pres Ford upcoming in the future too)
FTFY
Thank you for your reply, it's well reasoned, but if I may dispense more redpills.
I do know the exact point of view you're coming from, been there, done that. There is no time, like the line in the movie Lord of the Rings: Two Towers; "The hour is later than you think(realize)."
These sorts of things you describe, would have needed to be done years ago; or the Dems would need someone like a "Bill Clinton" on the throne right now, or even an Obama; but they're not; they're in full battle mode and their pounding at the gates without us having enough defenders on the walls. We need to recruit more defenders on the walls, not double the length of wall which needs defending.
For instance, before 1775 or 1860 and especially 1941; as the drums of war were being beaten, various preparations were made, for what was needed to win. A gun factory was built at Harpers Ferry. B-17s and other designs already done; Pentagon completed; Hoover Dam built and filled to provide electricity for the aircraft industry in So Cal; new tactics & doctrines; leadership training; etc. ALL of these types of (defensive & strategic) preparations, have been completely intentionally nixed/killed/prevented/etc by the Commies & Corrupt for many years now. All while the Commies & Corrupt made all their organized preparations including offensive ones (lists of who to round up, intel gathering, freeing up jail space, moneys to their troops/groups, comms networks, codebooks, etc.)
Further, if DJT was sitting in the Oval Office right this minute, we wouldn't even be having a 3rd Party discussion (again). The entirety of the action is being driven by the Democrats' theft. This means the "patriot party (which already existed btw)" is a "reaction" and one which the Dems have been working on my entire life; and that of my parents, grandparents, trying to replicate the T.R. Bull Moose split.
Creating a new party won't make the judiciary take up a lawsuit on Elections; this power already exists in the State Legislatures to clean up Elections. Splitting the party is extremely counter-productive to getting the Republican State Legislatures to unite and fix these problems.
The key resources are: Time, money, leadership, trust, media(communications).
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If there is money for a 3rd party, then there's enough money to win as Republicans overwhelmingly in even more Statehouses.
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If there's enough leadership for a 3rd party, then there's enough candidates, precinct chairs, etc to flush out all the anti-trumper swamp creatures.
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If there's enough trust for a 3rd party, then why wasn't the FIB, DOJ, WH hiring, WH Press Corps, GOP Committee, etc ever cleaned out; or why lead people into a trap like the 6th. If there was enough trust, people wouldn't be trying to bail the Republican Party to form a 3rd one. It's like, not having enough seed to plant your field this year, but saying getting more land will solve the problem ,it wont, it doubles the problem. Trust is earned over time, just as how democrats DJT or Reagan, weren't immediately trusted by Republicians.. And "destroying" the party, will nuke all trust with at least 20% minimum (to 40%) of Republicans because they know its walking into a trap and will hand the Dems full power/control in many State Capitals, just as it did in W.Wilson & FDR times.
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The marxists control the vast majority of media (which is generated and consumed) as you mentioned with your family firsthand. There's no where near enough media bandwidth for making a 3rd party. This IS where DJT could do something by creating his own Fox News equivalent; as this HELPS solve the problems rather than canabilzing the remaining media pieces fighting to split the remaining bandwidth.
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Time. For instance, the Lefties have their "bailout hotlines" to get out of jail when arrested for years now. Where's our sides version of that. There's thousands of arrests going on and there's going to be tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands more. Like when my mom was kidnapped/abducted/tortured/starved/thirsted etc for 17 days in June by (2 dets, 2 sgts, 9+ deputies) without papers/warrant/judge from home.. none of the local or national media would cover it, none. Even though one of the deputies whole job was to stand in the neighbors yard with a video camera to record like CNN at Roger Stone's house. There's not even a way for us to know how many arrests and "disappeared's" are going on right now. Yet, alone a way to have a lawyers network, jail books, etc. Just "simple stuff" like who looks after your house/pet/family while "in a camp" courtesy of the Commies. AND no that's NOT any sort of larping/etc that's the very real reality going on, and has been going on... and dems are marching faster and faster. There is no time for a "rebranding" of the Republican Party into a real 3rd party.
All great change in America begins at the dinner table." —Ronald Reagan
No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth!" —Ronald Reagan
I didn't leave the Democratic Party. It left me." —Ronald Reagan
The time to put in a sprinkler system, smoke alarm, or come up with an evacuation kit & plan, is not when the fire is starting/burning.
Trump already has the votes and support to lead from within the Republican Party. Trump never went in and cleaned it up; just as he never went into the DOJ and FIB to clean them up either; or the WH hiring process; or the WH Press Corps; etc.
If Trump wants to lead the Republican Party he can, including right this day. Did he ever say, "hey we need thousands of you to fill up the empty Precinct Chairs which are vacant in the Republican Party so we can get the swamp creatures out". Or again something as absolutely politically basic when it comes to "a political party" is "the (policy) platform". It's rather very simple and yet this last year's 'Convention' didn't even have "a platform", like the "Build the Wall, Lock Her Up, Drain the Swamp, etc."
Not doing these basic things in the Republican Party, and yet starting a 3rd party would required doing these things and a WHOLE lot more. Again, if a person doesn't mow their lawn, moving to a new house solves the problem for a short while, but that lawn is going to need mowing too. Got to learn to and have the time/money to do the chores: mow, take out the trash, do repairs, etc. in addition to the "fancy stuff" like having dinner parties(fundraising).
We all know that Trump has gotten some very bad advice over the years; and if creating a 3rd party is on that list, it is right at the top of the list. At least 10-40% of Republicans and Trump supporters know about Bull Moose; and will see the foolishness and bad advice, and wont switch; this would leave the Dems in full power including in State Legislatures. It's like the trap on the 6th, or not cleaning up the FIB(muh special prosecutor); at least half the people will see the Dem/Leftie trap coming.
:) You summarized much better than I *hugs
Normally yes, you're absolutely right.
Back when my comment above was like one of a handful, the OP had said in another reply to a comment that he/she was already over it.
In this case it seems likely our OP Pede is an aussie, which hey is cool and all; but most foreign pedes are not getting rounded up yet like the American ones. There's VERY real commie roundups of their political enemies going on right now; and tens of thousands more in the very near future by ALL indicators and history and experiences.
The faux anger or the way the "mood" is being "vented" is not only very not helpful, but is very dangerous. Particularly with the massive effort including new accounts trying to split the Republican Party. The REPUBLICAN PARTY the ONE Institution that the marxists don't have infected-control of; and they need it to die to take full levers of power.
The most dangerous thing is time; since the LEFTIES are marching hard and fast; and every day that passes with pedes, fake pedes, and others milling about not knowing what to do (like the capital steps) means the lefties plans will go unabated, thus resulting in much injury, entrapments/entanglements, and very real bad stuff unleashed upon the opponents of the Lefties.
That's not how marxism is defeated. That's not how to End The Fed. That's not how to Drain the Swamp. That's quitting and trying to flee, but none of those are going to stop coming after you, your family, your property, your freedom.
Their is multiple ways "forward", which solves all those things; mostly around enforcing the US Constitution as written. Sucession is just one more breaking the US Constitution like the things you listed, ie you're advocating for more of their evil actions, and more evil and treasonous actions like them of breaking our Republic, and Oaths to it.