Action? Stating that the Civil War was about racism and that slavery was a factor not the cause? Ok. Didn’t know it was incredibly unwise to state facts. In regards to the flaws in the argument I’m providing citations to back up my statements. I’ll take a man’s own words and actions far more seriously than the opinions of detractors more than a hundred years removed.
And yes Forrest was elected to be the head of the KKK when it was founded. This is despite the fact that he was not present. He later used his authority as the Grand Wizard to disband the organization and order all regalia associated with it destroyed. You ignore his words and actions while accusing him of being a racist because people who didn’t like him say so. That’s just silly.
First hand sources > opinions. Forrest and Lee were both known in their day for being outspokenly in favor of improving life for African-Americans. Later generations demonizing the men doesn’t make them demons it makes the later generations incorrect.
I see you are either a glowie yourself or don’t know how they work.
This is the time for careful action not hot-headedness. Look at how at how the Feds used glowies on AIM, Black Panthers, Branch Davidians, new-Nazis, etc... They are trying to encourage violence so they have an excuse to destroy our movement.
Nah we ain’t playing that game. Everything I said is backed up by evidence.
You gotta put some money where your mouth is.
$5 and a preteen. Pretty sure that’s the standard rate for them.
Carry it brother. Awaken more.
We both know that I mean in general 😂
Why are you zeroing in on one sentence? I’d understand if you were an expert but it sounds like you can’t argue the facts so I assume you aren’t.
Surely there is something I said where you can actually build a real argument.
Again man, I see your statement but where is your backup?
Offer counter-evidence if you got it. Surely we can agree that unsupported statements are of limited value right?
Brother, you are making statements without supporting them. I backed up my points with citations. Do you have anything to back yourself up or are these your own views?
Siedule (if I’m spelling it right) is the guy in the video from PragerU. You are totally right that it’s an unsinkable battle but it’s something that pisses me off royally.
The history is far more complex than simple racial divides. Compare for example to the people claiming MAGA = white supremacist.
Really my point in engaging is that I see this as a past example of what they are doing to us today. Yankees have a rather limited view of the facts and in a few generations we rush everyone thinking that Pedes were basically Nazis.
We must reclaim impartial truth or else we are all screwed.
Shhhh. You're a democrat!!! Fagtard! lmao
Ok. Let's dissect a few of these claims:
- Many people don't want to believe that the citizens of the Southern states were willing to fight and die to preserve a morally repugnant institution.
So far from engaging in a war to perpetuate slavery, I am rejoiced that Slavery is abolished. I believe it will be greatly for the interest of the South. So fully am I satisfied of this that I would have cheerfully lost all that I have lost by the war, and have suffered all that I have suffered to have this object attained. – General Robert E. Lee
I want to elevate you to take positions in law offices, in stores, on farms, and wherever you are capable of going. I have not said anything about politics today. I don’t propose to say anything about politics. You have a right to elect whom you please; vote for the man you think best, and I think, when that is done, you and I are freemen. Do as you consider right and honest in electing men for office. I did not come here to make you a long speech, although invited to do so by you. I am not much of a speaker, and my business prevented me from preparing myself. I came to meet you as friends, and welcome you to the white people. I want you to come nearer to us. When I can serve you I will do so. We have but one flag, one country; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment. Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict. Go to work, be industrious, live honestly and act truly, and when you are oppressed I’ll come to your relief. I thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for this opportunity you have afforded me to be with you, and to assure you that I am with you in heart and in hand. – General Nathaniel Bedford Forrest
- The South fought to "Preserve the Peculiar institution of slavery". First this is a rewording of the previous point which is lame but let's play ball:
The South seceded as they had irreparable political differences
Secession belongs to a different class of remedies. It is to be justified upon the basis that the States are Sovereign. There was a time when none denied it. I hope the time may come again, when a better comprehension of the theory of our Government, and the inalienable rights of the people of the States, will prevent any one from denying that each State is a Sovereign, and thus may reclaim the grants which it has made to any agent whomsoever. – Jefferson Davis
“Union among ourselves is not only necessary for our safety, but for the preservation of the common liberties and institutions of the whole confederacy. We constitute the balance wheel of our complex and beautiful political system. We are, and must continue to be, in a permanent minority in the Union. Our geographical position, our industry, pursuits, and institutions, are all peculiar. Our safety and prosperity depend on maintaining, in their full vigor, the restrictions imposed on the powers granted by the Constitution. So long as these are so maintained, and the powers confined to the objects intended by that sacred compact, we will be safe and prosperous, but no longer. There is no fear, but the stronger portions of the Union will maintain the powers in their full vigor. The limitations are of far less comparative value to them. They can protect themselves without them; and, in fact, so far from a benefit, they are but too apt to regard them as unnecessary restraints on their power. If we do not take care of them, none will, and the government will practicably become one of unlimited powers.” John C. Calhoun
Was Alexander Stephen's speech racist as hell? Sure but before we assume he speaks for the Confederacy lets compare the Confederate VP to President Lincoln.
Our republican system was meant for a homogeneous people. As long as blacks continue to live with the whites they constitute a threat to the national life. Family life may also collapse and the increase of mixed breed bastards may some day challenge the supremacy of the white man.
In regards to the Emancipation Proclamation; lets look at the text:
the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free
Wait... what about the slaves in Kentucky? Delaware? Maryland? Missouri? Oh yeah! They kept slaves because they were not in Confederate states. The Emancipation Proclamation only effected states which seceded and as they did not acknowledge Lincoln this had no teeth. The E.P. was a political gesture to distract from the draft riots rather than a meaningful sentiment.
Now Colonel Todd talks about positive statistics. Does he mention the following:
- Up to 150,000 Jews impacted by General Order 11
- The Massacre at Wounded Knee (That was the Union army)
- Burning crops and salting fields to starve Southern families
- The forced drafts and executions in Cynthiana, KY
Ok. That's enough effort for a reply that will probably be seen by less than 5 people.
Todd Siedule is a leftist from NY and quite biased. Feel free to let him know I'll gladly own his ass if he ever wants to try and talk history though.
Working on it. Lots to unpack here as I see you’ve been blue pulled more than you know. I’ll post back in a bit with a full response.
Hahaha get some butthurt cream.
Shhh! Don’t tell my girlfriend!
Nelson W. Winbrush would disagree.
You realize that the Confederacy wasn’t racist right? While the Union was doing shit like Sherman’s General Order. 11 the South had a Jewish Secretary of State (Benjamin Judah). We had a Native American General (Stand Watie), Hispanic regiments (European Brigade, The Spanish Guards, Benavides Regiment), etc.
Bingo.
We can disagree personally without forcing others to believe what we do. Authoritarianism is a globalist/leftist heresy. Pedes seek liberty for all.
This. Rights matter when they challenge popular views.
Freedom of speech means nothing if it only protects non-offensive speech. We are fighting for liberty not for our personal ideologies.
Oh I’m not doubting that there are huge violations. Rather my point is based in the realism of the situation. We are being treated as second hand citizens so even with the law on our side we can fail.
If we have a bunch of lesbian Afro-Cuban Pedes leading these pushes though it will generate buzz “Meet the Lesbian Latina Trump Supporter” practically writes itself but also it would cause mental dissonance that might wake some people up to the fact we aren’t the bigots we get portrayed as.
We sure set a low bar 😂
I HATE identity politics but Pedes of color or deviant sexual persuasion; this is y’all’s chance to shine!
A bunch of right-wing heterosexual white males saying “I’m not a Nazi” isn’t a good story. A bunch of LGBTQ or minority types? It’s at least enough of an expectation shock to create some waves. Even if the lawsuit fails it might build attention and redpill some folks.
Hey!
How long have you been lurking? What are your impressions so far? Any major questions?
You forgot to include FUCK CCP.
Commies don’t care if you are correct. Only if you are something they don’t want to hear.
Plausible.
It could also be as simple as petty spite. They promised to impeach the man before he ever took office and have already tried and failed. It could be as simple as trying to do everything in their power to shame Trump while they still can.