All the leftists I know all have atrocious mental health. Anxiety disorders, eating disorders, terrible relationship problems. All of them that happen to be into testing the waters of the mind with various substances inevitably have really rough experiences, over, and over again. On the other hand the individualists, as I like to call them, (though they have their problems) never have a bad time and are much more at peace with the world in regular life. All of the people I know who are really deep into consciousness exploration are also the most aware of what is going on in the world. Disconnect from reality = gonna have a bad time when class is in session. Self reflection, I believe, is absolutely the MOST important thing a person can do. Otherwise you're just walking through life in a haze of lies you and others have convinced yourself of.
Shoot me a message if you want to have a chat, friend.
Semantics again, but a conductor is more akin to a DJ manipulating an existing work, a producer is more like the guy who wrote the piece for the entire orchestra to play, and for the conductor to lead.
I completely agree with you though, calling some musicians and others not, when both produce structured noises that make people feel good at the end of it is indeed a retarded argument.
A thousand times hyperbole? Yes. Invalid point? No.
Your argument was 'passable', not quality. The first 80% of making anything is easy, the last 20% is where the difference is. Same for playing guitar. Anyone can get good enough to passably say they play in a pretty short space of time. Would you call them not a musician though? If someone creates something they enjoy listening to, who are you to judge whether it is music or not?
I agree that the vast majority of mainstream electronic music is shallow and weak. Rhythmic and melodic complexity does not a good song make, however. They are useless metrics in defining how a song makes you feel, which one could argue is the entire purpose of music - to elicit feelings.
Timbral diversity on the other hand is flourishing within electronic music, an area basically unchanged in traditional music since the 60s at this point. People are exploring uncharted territory in sound design, and it's a wonderful thing for those paying attention.
Outside of our argument here, just as with anything there is a far deeper well of quality stuff out there you're very unlikely to be exposed to unless you're part of the 'scene' for lack of a better term. Everything I've ever delved that has seemed simple on the surface is far more interesting than it appears to a layman. Drag racing for example - I thought it was vroom go fast in a straight line. Cool, boring. Turns out it's a crazy complicated science of tuning machines to the edge of performance and playing mindgames with competitors. Same goes to electronic music - it's not just trash pop, but a deep and vibrant ocean of exciting new sounds to explore.
Who said anything about being a DJ? Literally took me 4 weeks of cramming before I played my first club set - very easy to learn, hard to master. I picked up guitar in a little under 3 years and was playing 3 shows a week professionally via several groups as well as doing session work. Also easy to learn, little harder to master, but certainly not some impossible task.
Producing a fully fledged track from scratch however - composing every element of the piece, designing synth patches, creating unique drums, arranging everything, mixing, mastering it to any remotely professional sounding standard... That all takes FAR longer than learning a traditional instrument. Yeah, you can knock up some run of the mill trash in no time by playing lego with some sample packs, but that's not what we're talking about here.
To argue that composing something on a computer makes you not a musician is completely asinine. Mushing some metal strings onto some wood is nowhere near as complex as lovingly crafting each element of a full track in a DAW.
Yo what in the absolute fuck? How do you pay $3,500/mo and stay alive? For ONE BEDROOM? What kind of insane money are you people earning out there? That's 4900ish Australian dollars just on RENT! You could live like Trump himself down here for that kind of cash. For around $1300/mo USD you're looking at a spacious, brand new, luxury 2 bedroom in the heart of my city. Insane.
As both an 'actual' and 'pretend' musician, this is absolutely correct. Some of the best musicians I know couldn't play a physical instrument to save their life.
Edit: Lol you pathetic salty cucks downvoting me. Hit me with a response argument so you can get told. I've got nigh on two decades behind a piano, and ten more years behind half a dozen other instruments. Come at me.
As an actual musician who's toured nationally for a living playing 'real' instruments, and who now also makes completely electronic music - the latter is a thousand times harder, and requires infinitely more knowledge and skill to master.
Whatever sound people put their soul into is music, and you'll never convince anyone otherwise with that pathetic attitude.
Excellent observation.