amateurs focus on tactics and professionals focus on logistics
Risk vs reward on that gamble is low payout.
Isn’t there a better way to demonstrate resolve than taking on all the risk and being willing to stand in their killbox?
I’m granting you automatic 5 points for badassness even through you’re countering me :)
BINGO!!
Fight to win - not to fight
Which is a valiant goal - from a logistics perspective I think there are better intervention points.
I don’t think that DC can be effectively transitioned from demo to use to victory so why invite that transition to take place there.
Better to form up and march without granting them the de facto permission to arrest on sight.
They need to be fought but it has to be done via effective approach
Jesus - I’m gonna assume you considered this a TLTR?
I’m not arguing against fighting.
I’m saying go to DC to demonstrate because it’s a dumbass place to mount an assault with overly extended lines of operation and effort. After you use up your combat load in about 25 minutes where would your resupply come from? Little birds? Oh yeah....
You know why you form up your forces ON a base instead of ON target?
If you want to go lose then knock it out - otherwise get your emotions in-check and fight smart.
Unsupported infantry most of whom are days away from their home base will be quickly routed if not arrested as they trickle in
Personally I think more demonstrations are a waste of fucking time
Jesus - I’m gonna assume you considered this a TLTR?
I’m not arguing against fighting.
I’m saying go to DC to demonstrate because it’s a dumbass place to mount an assault with overly extended lines of operation and effort. After you use up your combat load in about 25 minutes where would your resupply come from? Little birds? Oh yeah....
You know why you form up your forces ON a base instead of ON target?
If you want to go lose then knock it out - otherwise get your emotions in-check and fight smart.
Unsupported infantry most of whom are days away from their home base will be quickly routed if not arrested as they trickle in
Personally I think more demonstrations are a waste of fucking time
Bingo!
If you operate local you have a much more reliable line of operation
Christ.
Okay one more time for the slow ones....
In order to win a battle you must -
1 Seize the initiative
2 Control the tempo of the engagement
3 Hold the high ground or strong point
Demonstrations as a matter of being scheduled with a known time and place immediately compromise the first two rules.
DC - which is flooded with the swamp people and merely ARRIVING ARMED is a felony is distinctly low ground. Add to that Sun Tzu’s rule Of never fighting more than a couple days march from your own base and you start to understand your line of operation and line of support are non existent there as you are likely VERY far from home.
Who will bring you ammo and supplies, medical? Oh yeah - nobody will cause you’re surrounded.
if you can’t EFFECTIVELY transition from DEMO to USE then it’s a bad place to fight from, right? So don’t go and get in a fight there.
Demo missions are done in the day, close proximity, high visibility
USE missions are done AT NIGHT, distant proximity as possible and as INVISIBLE as possible.
See how assembling your forces on enemy ground in broad daylight where you can get shot or arrested JUST for being armed doesn’t transition into an AMBUSH very well, DOES IT?
The think it’s way past time for potus to move to USE of force but that’s not up to me.
All I know is that logistically DC is not advantageous ground for use of force operations.
If you want to demonstrate then fine, but bringing a gun only puts you at the bottom of the hill running up it.
Just don’t start your adavance from the downhill advantage.
DC is a nest of CCP loyalists. It’s 15-25 years in prison JUST for showing up ARMED.
Why not muster your forces somewhere where they aren’t in legal jeopardy just for showing up?
DC is a terrible place to fight where even being armed means the rules of engagement favor the opponent with the laws of war.
Texas would be a much better place to muster. Remember that after the Rubicon was crossed they did NOT actually march into Rome. They bypassed it for the surrounding cities and gained support.
DC is a black hole for use of force operations.
Agreed - I’m simply saying you don’t fight from ground you demonstrate from.
A parade march is a killbox.
Fighting is about being invisible
Demonstrating is about being seen as Much as possible
You don’t conduct those operations using the same logistics or Assets. One is literally done at night and the other In broad daylight.
Actually - yes. It’s meant to inspire awe/ fear
All demonstrations are based on this concept and it’s why the military spend the jet fuel - not to be cool.
If you are demonstrating you reveal your position and show off your power
If you are fighting then the enemy never even sees the plane :)
You are the plane :)
Right - which is why - if you have given up on deterrence based interventions - showing up and trying to do use of force based interventions with DC as a starting point is like being a fish in a barrel.
Think like a guerrilla instead of a musketeer
Go there to protest - but fighting from there would be fucking retarded
Oh I just meant I have seen none.
No public appearances or comms of any kind I’m aware of
The best I’ve seen is a letter that was sent to her - NO proof of life that I’ve seen since the rumored raid
Yeah — FUCK THE NFL AND NBA BLM FUCKERS
NEVER AGAIN
They respect only vengeance
When people start getting dragged by their hair and begging for mercy — REMEMBER THIS
Glock - 19
As much as you will want an AR - a handgun will be much more versatile and useful in transit seated inside the vehicle
Get a Roni and some high cap mags and now you’ve got basically a little sub 9
Hahaha say more - I’ll enjoy schooling you about this great country :)
FUCK THE CCP :)
As a quick ex -
A military flyover with an F-18 at a football game is a DEMONSTRATION of FORCE mission.
A military air strike with an F-18 is a USE of FORCE mission.
You wouldn’t fuel, takeoff, use the same facilities, use the same logistics, use the same flight path or use the same intel. The tempo of the engagement, the violence of action and the ability to seize the initiative would all be mutually exclusive logistics chains depending on DEMONSTRATION VS USE OF FORCE.
The point of the a DEMONSTRATION posture is to BE SEEN = Intimidation (people is stadium get within close proximity to the jet)
The point of the a USE of force posture is to AVOID BEING SEEN AND DESTROY THE ENEMY. (The people never see the jet and it fires from maximum distance proximity from the stadium)
Both missions involve the F-18 flying, they both involve the stadium... they have mutually exclusive logistics and velocity vectors.
You can’t do both and do either well...
Excellent - thank you
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Starting a fight from the bottom of a hill is not a fight - it is a barrel. Go get shot in it LARPing tiny.
If you want to go DEMONSTRATE then go to DC.
If you want to FIGHT then Don’t be and idiot. There will be no armed fight in DC - it a demonstration. Don’t get yourself arrested for nothing.
A jet flyover is a demonstration
A jet air strike is a use of force.
They are two completely different mission profiles that are conducted entirely differently.
Grow up
Forget the guns! Did we decide on a matching patch?