Indiana had not been carried by any Democrat Presidential candidate since the Johnson landslide of 1964. Obama won it in 2008 against McCain. Indiana hasn't voted for a Democrat Presidence since. It appeared to be a one-off fluke.

Hoosier pedes, any explanations or lessons learned that we can apply to elections going forward? Was there fraud in 2008 and it got cleaned up? Did Obama legitimately win in 2008 and the RNC stepped up their game after that? Was McCain just that shitty of a candidate? But if so why didn't he lose other states that were red since 1964? I'm just wondering aloud here.

I keep hearing others here say that Biden / Kamala will be able to steal Georgia and Arizona, also traditional Republican presidential strongholds, in 2024. But isn't it also possible that like Indiana, these too were flukes that can be "fixed," if indeed Indiana was "fixed?" Just wondering aloud here.

I want to give a big thank-you to the mods for keeping everything up and running. In spite of deplatforming on Reddit and in spite of the recent domain name change, in spite of the FBI/honeypot incitement to violence, in spite of Biden now being in the White House we still have a place for patriots to discuss our country's issues and plan for the future. Lots of love and respect for the hard work!

We've seen such a dramatic escalation here in the US in the last few days. Twitter is banning Trump-supporting accounts, ABC news is now calling for "cleansing," Biden is comparing us to Hitler. It really feels like something bad is coming...

What's it like around the rest of the world? Conservatives and patriots in other countries, how have things changed for you in the last few days? Is just American conservatism and liberty being suppressed, or is it happening everywhere?

A lot of glowy handshake accounts are posting comments like non-violent civil disobedience doesn't work. Likely FBI agents.

Remember when tens of thousands of businesses in every state defiantly reopened? Remember when we choked off DC highways with hundreds of trucks parked in the road? Remember when millions of us walked around in the supermarket without masks? Remember when we held sit-ins at Twitter and Facebook HQ for weeks?

No, of course not. We never actually did that. I live in a so-called red area and all of the businesses are still closed and everyone wears masks. The trucker strike never happened. Most of us are still compliant.

Civil disobedience worked for the civil Rights movement. Czechoslovakia's Velvet revolution was non-violent and it overthrew a communist regime far more totalitarian than what we have. They didn't even have fucking guns.

No, we skipped all of that. A handful of idiots decided to go full retard and fight with cops and try and storm Congress when both houses were in session. Some were likely plants, but most of them including the woman who was shot were Trump supporters who did not need to be there in the building. they could have stayed on the steps and made their point just as well.

I'm sick and tired of hearing about the four boxes. Yes, the voting box has been taken away from us, but that doesn't mean going straight to the ammo box. There are so many options for civil disobedience that we haven't even tried yet. FBI glowy shill handshake accounts get the f*** off this site.

Lots of people here predict that on the 6th, a fight will break out in DC between patriots and Black Lives Matter... but is that true? The paid Soros activists will show up to fight no matter what, but can we find common ground with at least some BLM members? Our number one grievance is with the government, as is theirs.

Back when Charlottesville happened, Donald Trump said there are fine people on both sides. What Trump said about "both sides" applies by definition not just to us, but to our political opponents.

There are some people who associate with BLM who we can work with--and who we have in the past. A minority of BLM, true, but here's a few examples

From today: BLM and Stop The Steal both protest at Mitch McConnell's house, find common ground. https://twitter.com/KarlAuer18/status/1345495379085819905

January 2020: Black Lives Matter 575 joins pro-2A rally in Richmond https://richmond.com/news/local/update-richmond-woman-charged-with-wearing-mask-in-public-following-gun-rights-rally/article_af43b67e-def2-5ee1-92db-709d0965655f.html

September 2017: New York BLM Activists Invited on Pro-Trump Stage https://www.wxyz.com/news/video-black-lives-matter-activists-invited-on-pro-trump-stage

Speaking from personal experience, I spent a lot of time on Twitter debating with BLM folks this summer, and most of them were fairly reasonable and willing to listen. Some of them even told me that I changed their view on conservative people, that until they talked to me, they thought conservatives were unwilling to have a conversation.

BLM is (somewhat) of a leaderless movement. Tens if not hundreds of thousands of people have participated in various BLM actions over the years. Of those thousands of people, you have rioters who came out after dark to burn, loot, and murder. You have violent people, you have people funded by Soros as paid agitators, but then you also have just regular people and groups who we disagree with but who are nonviolent.

It's the latter group who showed up at McConnell's house today, and in the other two examples. But cooperation like that only happened because our sides and leaders had a dialogue beforehand and determined that it was in both groups' best interest, at least at the time, to temporarily put our differences aside to oppose our worst enemy: the government.

I'm not a leader of anything, but I would encourage some sort of dialogue between us and BLM before the 6th. Maybe it comes to nothing, maybe there will be violence no matter what but I think it's worth a try.

If you live in a Democrat state, then you should still contact your attorney general and use the Democrat talking points to your advantage. Pretend like you're one of them. Here's a sample of what I recently sent to my state AG:

"Dear Attorney General,

On November 3rd, 2020, the voters of the United States and [Your State] overwhelmingly elected Joseph R. Biden as the president. However, this victory has been contested by President Trump and his supporters. They claim without evidence that Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Georgia were "stolen" by fraud. While this is a false allegation, these four states' conduct with mail-in ballots have unfortunately overshadowed Joe Biden's otherwise-clear win.

For the COVID-19 pandemic, officials in these four states implemented changes to their mail-in voting procedures without consulting the state legislatures, which Article II, Section 1 of the US Constitution mandates. While accusations of fraud have been disproven, several irregularities exist including ballot chains-of-custody, indefinite confinement statuses, and unusual ballot rejection rates. This is still concerning even though it didn't impact the outcome of the election.

The changes to the PA, WI, MI, and GA systems were rushed and improperly implemented. State officials have no right to arbitrarily change election procedures without legislative approval. Should this be allowed to stand, bad faith officials from other states, from either party, may see this as a precedent. They'll be emboldened to engage in impropriety in future elections. It also opens the door to further Russian interference in our democracy.

These four states cannot be allowed to arbitrarily change election laws while states like [Your State] play by the rules. Texas has brought a Supreme Court lawsuit against these states for their unconstitutional behavior. So far, only Republican state attorneys general have filed amicus briefs, but a Democratic attorney general would bring a much-needed, balanced perspective to the suit. This shouldn't be a partisan issue. We should not seek to overturn Joe Biden's win, but rather to prevent state officials from abusing processes of future elections. As with the recent suit against Facebook, we can cross the aisle and work with other states towards a common legal goal.

[Mr./Mrs. AG], I respectfully ask that you submit an amicus brief in support of Texas, Plaintiff v. Pennsylvania, et al. If this lawsuit's goals are not in alignment with [Your State's] interests, I respectfully ask that separate legal action be taken by [Your State] against the four states in question. The future of our democracy depends on it.

Sincerely, Your Name Place of residence in your state

The "official" results are that Joe Biden will win 306 electoral votes

States that Trump's team and/or third parties are contesting (EVs):

• PA 20
• MI 16
• GA 16
• AZ 11
• WI 10
• NV 6
• Virginia is 16 but for some reason, Trump's team isn't contesting it and I think it's probably too late for any challenge to succeed there. I may be wrong, though.

To deny Biden the 270 he needs, we need to flip 37 EVs, which would be three contested states at a minimum. No two states will be enough as even with PA and one of MI/GA Biden would still be at exactly 270.

Pennsylvania is looking to be the most likely, so then if Trump wins PA, Biden is at 286 and taking any other two contested states would be enough. Except that Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Nevada wouldn't be enough by themselves and would require at least one other state.

From my analysis, I believe that after Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan are the two most likely, at least to be accomplished through the legislatures. What does everyone else think? Another possibility is that the Supreme Court throws out a few states, bypassing state legislatures, and sending the election to house delegations instead.

I read that the Supreme Court declined to hear a Pennsylvania absentee ballot case today. Is this true or just fake news? If they don't hear cases like these, how is Donald Trump supposed to win? I'm not being a doomer / black pilled I'm just curious what's going on.

I see a lot of focus on PA and MI, and there's definitely tons of fraud there. But Wisconsin and Milwaukee in particular also had suspicious things like 90% turnout in some areas. I think there were also observers denied access and mail ballot irregularities too. Nevada had a ton of out of state voting and illegal aliens voting.

But I don't hear Rudy talking about them lately. Is a different legal team working on those states, and Rudy is heading up MI and PA?

We need a shotgun approach. I think the PA case is basically airtight. But if MI fails, or if we lose the AZ or GA recounts we need a fallback. NV and WI could be crucial. This is far from a done deal. I'm not black pulled but I believe we need to fight as hard as we can. Virginia might be worth looking into but I'm not sure if there is fraud there or if the demographics have skewed so heavily towards DC that it's basically a blue state now.

I believe it was supposed to be today. How is the truckers strike going?

Has the Trump Campaign or Rudy filed lawsuits in other states besides PA? There should also be lawsuits in MI, PA, GA, etc. So that we get enough electoral votes in the end. Am I missing news of other lawsuits?

"Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules." - Saul D. Alinsky

The Carter Center, Clinton Foundation, Gates Foundation, Obama Foundation, and others like to shout to the heavens that they support democratic processes in foreign countries. Though most of them have already congratulated Joe Biden on his "win" and made no comments or statement on the rampant fraud, error, procedural violations, and improprieties that we've seen.

They must be held accountable for the standards they seek to impose in the third world, and must be forced to be consistent, or proven to be hypocrites. Their silence on US election fraud is deafening. Shitlibs have flooded our fraud hotlines with spam. But "they go low, we go high" as Obama says.

https://www.cartercenter.org/about/contact.html

https://www.clintonfoundation.org/about/contact-us

https://www.gatesfoundation.org/Who-We-Are/General-Information/Contact-Us

https://www.obama.org/contact-us/

Don't spam them, because we're better than what they do. Definitely send them "tips" and calls for them to make statements on the evidence we have provided. Be careful to avoid keywords that may get your messages auto-flagged (I'd avoid the use of the word "trump" and instead focus on the 2020 election. In fact, maybe don't mention any candidates at all. Mention violations and fraud)

If they flood our hotlines with spam like screeching banshees, we'll flood theirs with reasoned arguments and real examples. Definitely don't give away any new information (send that to Trump/Guiliani) but with generalities like this perhaps.

DRAFT **"Dear Cater Foundation,

Thank you so much for all you do to support international democracy. We have heard disturbing reports from within our country of American Citizens being disenfranchised through error, fraud, glitched voting machines. Our Democracy cannot hope to stand unless all legitimate claims are investigated, from wherever the claims may arise. Only then can all Americans rest assured that our elections have integrity, and our elected leadership is legitimate. I ask you to please look into these claims and release a public statement regarding your findings.""**

Lost in all of the discussion of the past few days/weeks/months has been the persistent topic of illegal alien voting. Studies have shown that in 2008, 2016, and other elections, millions of illegal aliens voted.

https://www.justfactsdaily.com/substantial-numbers-of-non-citizens-vote-illegally-in-u-s-elections

GEOTUS himself said in 2016 that he would've won the popular vote if illegal aliens had been prevented from voting.

This hasn't been brought up to a significant degree in 2020 yet, probably because of the mountain of bullshit that the Democrat party has dumped into our polling places.

But this needs to be addressed once and for all, because there's no doubt that yet again many of our votes were negated by noncitizens because few if any measures have been implemented since 2016 to stop this.

In addition to dead people voting, fake ballots, and hacked machines, don't forget this persistent problem, too. Every single trick that they've pulled for years will be exposed NOW. The gloves are off, bitchez!

I do believe there was massive election fraud, but I've seen videos that are super short and lack context, and aren't really definitive evidence of anything. The video of that guy burning the ballots, the video of the red wagon going into the polling place, and now the mail-in ballot dumpster video. In all of these cases, these videos are super short and don't show any ballots up close. Please don't give the other side ammunition by spreading fake news. They will say that it was staged, and in reality maybe it could've been.

Don't get me wrong the video of the cheering ballot counters in MI is short but it shows clear bias in an easily-identifiable location. The video of the cardboard in the windows is similar. The video of that woman filling in blank ballots may or may not be legit because some states do transcription of spoiled ballots (though if she's doing it improperly, that may also be evidence).

Bottom line: If you do take a video, or if you have a video to post, make the video LONGER. Show CONTEXT that could hold up in COURT. Most of these videos could never be introduced as evidence, and not even a great justice like Clarence Thomas or ACB would take them at face value.

In a nation of 50 states, there's only five (AZ, NV, NC, GA, and PA) that haven't yet provided final presidential election results TWO DAYS later. All are swing states that were heavily contested during the campaign.

Isn't it suspicious that some other state like Wyoming or California isn't having these issues? Deep blue and deep red states seem to have no issue with calling it on election night, even though all/most of them have mail in voting, early voting, and in-person voting all to tally up. But it's only swing states somehow? Even if you're a normie, doesn't that seem strange and statistically very unlikely? Why should only a select few states be having these problems that every other state isn't?

Trump got massive Cuban support in this election, winning by over 100k votes. These people fled to America from a communist country and they know what the Dems stand for.

I'm not sure if there's polls for how Californian expats vote in states outside of California. But at least if our instincts are to be believed, the majority of them still vote for Democrats even though Dems destroyed their home state.

Does anyone know why one group flees from something and votes against it, while the other group flees from something and votes for it? Polish and other Eastern European Americans generally vote for the GOP. I honestly have no idea. People are people so I see no inherent reason why. Do we just need to do a better job reaching out to Californian expat communities in states like Colorado and Arizona? Maybe replicate the success that we had with Cubans in this election, and with the Polish in the past.

I've seen a lot of "fuck Arizona" posts but I wanted to add my two cents. I think that Joe Biden's (probable) win there is an anomaly that only happened due to COVID. Remember, Obama won Indiana in 2008 but other than that it's been Republican for decades. I won't get into Indiana right now but in 2008 the stars aligned for Obama. I don't think our performance in AZ is due to Californication, or at least that's only part of the answer.

Trump was definitely underperforming with seniors compared to 2016. A lot of that was due to MSM lies about Trump's handling of COVID, and unfortunately a lot (not all) of seniors don't know how to use the internet, or if they do they don't have knowledge of sites like TheDonald.win so they can see the truth. A lot of them haven't ditched cable yet. You also have to remember that seniors a lot of times vote in person, but COVID definitely might have scared some of them off (because they are actually the group that's truly vulnerable to COVID)

Trump did better in 2020 with the Hispanic vote (about 10%) but that was mainly in Florida and probably not the same Hispanic population in Arizona. He probably did better in AZ with Hispanics too but seniors vote at much higher rates and AZ has a lot of seniors.

Edit: Another reason might be that there was no love lost between McCain and Trump. Not sure how popular McCain was, or is, in Arizona but I'd imagine he got elected as a neocon war hawk in Arizona for a reason.

BTW: Do we really want to become a salt mine? Arizonans, New Yorkers, and even Californians are all our fellow Americans. We have a responsibility to redpill them too. Cubans who escape from communism come here and vote Republican because they know what the democrats will bring: socialism. So I see no reason why Californians who escape from Newsom can't be similarly convinced. The same thing goes for the black vote or any other group.

They were polling Biden +3, +5, +7 in all of these swing states that Trump has now won.

Even if PA, AZ, and GA are somehow stolen through fraud and Biden "wins," the pollsters were so off with Flordia, Texas, Ohio, and other states that Trump has already won.

They'll all need to look for new jobs, or if they keep their jobs nobody will take them seriously again.

I don't know about you, but sometimes it's really easy for me to forget my mask. I voted by mail this time, but it got me thinking about in-person voters. Several times I've been about to enter a building, but then I see the mask sign and it reminds me so I go back to my car and get my mask. I guess it's just not an ingrained habit yet.

Don't wait in the lines for hours on Tuesday, only to find you forgot your mask. Don't lose your place in line! It's probably stupid of me to post this reminder, but if it saves at least one of you the hassle then it's worth it.

Also, don't assume that if your state doesn't have a mask mandate, that you won't need to wear one at the polls. The dems love to change the rules at the last minute. Bring one just in case. At the least you'll avoid some Karen getting mad at you right when you're trying to vote.

Stay save, forget the polls, and go VOTE

I think that President Trump should replace one of his rallies in a relatively safe state like Florida, which even mainstream polls indicate he's ahead, and take a few hours to visit his hometown.

It wasn't that long ago that New York state had a Republican governor (Pataki) and NYC had a Republican mayor (Rudy). As recently as the 90's. Unlike most major cities that have been Dem-run for years, NYC hasn't been.

President Trump is from Queens and a lot of people in NYC, probably even some Dems, still like the things The Donald did as a businessman there. They saw how he helped turn the city around by investing and building there when it was still a crime-ridden shithole (the first time, that is). In fact The Donald even got his nickname from there.

Hasidic Jews love Trump and held a rally for him after Cuomo unfairly targeted them. Pennsylvania is only a two-hour drive away so maybe he could also do this on a day he otherwise would've been in PA. Guarantee you his PA supporters would show up too. Remember the fundraiser Trump held in CA? That wasn't even a rally, but there was still huge turnout on the sidewalks around.

I think that even though NY is a deep blue state, lots of leftists have fled from the policies they created, and voted to recreate them. Along with CA and IL, they made states like CO go blue. But by that logic, there's a lot fewer of them in supposed Dem "strongholds." A lot of New Yorkers who may otherwise vote for Trump, especially swing voters, might feel like it's not as important because "he'd never win NY." NYC is 24% black and he can also appeal to them with his excellent record on improving the black community in America.

I say you gotta take a risk sometimes. Trump should visit New York and remind voters there of his pledge to reopen the economy and restore law and order. Have Rudy speak, too. Remind them of his accomplishments in that city. It'd be a hail mary, but remember what happened when Trump went to Cali.

What do you all think?

We've all seen the pictures of Hunter with a crack/meth pipe in his mouth. It's a well-known fact that he struggles with addiction. However, that's a small, small issue compared to his and Joe's corruption. In fact, going after Hunter because of his addiction is a MISTAKE.

Lots of people struggle with addiction. Lots of good people, too. Donald Trump and his supporters have never had an issue with addicts, but with dealers. Fentanyl for instance, that's dealt with at the border, not by going after opioid addicts. Get them the help they need. Hunter could be the biggest crackhead in the universe but that's not important, what's important is how he used his daddy's position to make money.

I guess you could say it's stronger evidence that Burisma shouldn't have hired him. He spoke no Ukrainian (or Russian?), had no energy experience, and was a crackhead. So maybe that's more evidence of how he really shouldn't have gotten the job on his own merits. But even in that context, it's not worth going after since Burisma was chump change compared to the China connections.

We need to make sure that the narrative that we use focuses on the substance, not the distractions.