Oh, it sure does - because anyone watching legacy lamestream media have 'democracy' brainwashed right into their cortexes. Forget all about the rule of law, the Constitution, god-given rights, legislative processes requiring super-majorities, everything, just because 51% want the government to "DO SOMETHING!!!" regardless of how destructive 'it' is.
Ctrl+F the Constitution for democracy, or even "dem" if you feel like it. https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
You have no point. So it looks like your whole argument is "Lawyers bad." So, what then? I guess we just fire Lin Wood and have Kyle (17) defend himself in the courts, then? I mean, even IF the lawyer works for FREE - he's evil, don't you know!!
-I guess maybe we could consider one if they swear blood oath fealty to the entire Rittenhouse dynasty. That might work, maybe.
Lawyers "not being the most charitable" occupation is already old news. But we're really on the exact wrong thread to be discussing that. The dude is representing him for free -- exactly how much more are you asking him for?
Who needs carrots when we can just beat our horses to death, right?
I used the chat function haha, was allowed to paste there.
Them doubling-down with their woke HR release made me have to start commenting by line.
"the visual in question was not created or distributed by Goodyear corporate" --"Not distributed" ... right, it's not like it was DISTRIBUTED in corporate training, right?
"Goodyear has zero tolerance for any forms of harassment or discrimination" -Ah, yes, nothing more discriminatory than saying "All Lives Matter". Of course.
"Second, we appreciate the diverse viewpoints of all of our more than 60,000 associates" -That must be why you ban one expression, and not the other, right?
"Fostering an inclusive, respectful workplace" -That's not what zero tolerance means. Check your double-speak, there.
"Goodyear has always wholeheartedly supported both equality and law enforcement and will continue to do so" -Oh, that must be why at the top of your press release it says "ALL LIVES MATTER / BLUE LIVES MATTER IS ALLOWED", right? or: "WE HAVE RECTIFIED OUR POLICY TO PROHIBIT POLITICIZATION OF ANY KIND IN OUR WORKPLACE, TO INCLUDE BLACK LIVES MATTER POLITICAL STATEMENTS" --Oh wait. It doesn't. You disingenuous corporate-speak shills. Piss off.
"This can’t be said strongly enough" **** off. You've said nothing in the entire statement. You've done nothing. Shills.
So, needless to say, I am extremely pleased to say I was recommended GoodYear tires, bought them, and now that is NEVER happening again.
I am sorry that you're just a chat operator in this, and that you probably have to do 2-3 of these at once. But, I'll wager this chat won't go on much longer and take less than a minute of your time. If you guys are getting bombarded with these 1 minute chats .. I guess it should be a "things that make you go hmmmm" moment. GoodYear shouldn't be putting you guys in the line of fire, and certainly not releasing worthless statements that throw gasoline on the fire.
Maybe this could be a good spark to finding a better job at a better place :). In any case, GoodYear stock is down 6% because of this failure, and down 60% Year-To-Date because of their overall ineptness.
I hope you, personally, can have a good day! And GoodYear? Well - just keep doin' what ya been doin', guys. I like where this is going.
So: this is the response I got out of GoodYear lol:
Victor: This channel is only intended to help our consumers who are shopping for tires. I do not have any information on other topics like you are mentioning. Is there anything I can assist you with?
-Said nope, hoped he had good luck, and THIS is what GoodYear has placed in their auto-text library lmao. Effing morons.
Victor: For Quality Assurance purposes, I am forced to disconnect this chat. Thank you for choosing Goodyear.
How the hell is disconnecting the chat quality assurance purposes? Lmao. Well, they do have a chat line of 25 people, took like 5 minutes ... gave me plenty of time to get this text over onto here.
Also - here is the link to the ARCHIVED GoodYear statement. Saved forever. http://archive.vn/sVBkn
They are entirely full of shit.
I saw the thread from the other day, and launched a chat with them -- had this to say, about their statement:
"the visual in question was not created or distributed by Goodyear corporate" --"Not distributed" ... right, it's not like it was DISTRIBUTED in corporate training, right?
"Goodyear has zero tolerance for any forms of harassment or discrimination" -Ah, yes, nothing more discriminatory than saying "All Lives Matter". Of course.
"Second, we appreciate the diverse viewpoints of all of our more than 60,000 associates" -That must be why you ban one expression, and not the other, right?
"Fostering an inclusive, respectful workplace" -That's not what zero tolerance means. Check your double-speak, there.
"Goodyear has always wholeheartedly supported both equality and law enforcement and will continue to do so" -Oh, that must be why at the top of your press release it says "ALL LIVES MATTER / BLUE LIVES MATTER IS ALLOWED", right? or: "WE HAVE RECTIFIED OUR POLICY TO PROHIBIT POLITICIZATION OF ANY KIND IN OUR WORKPLACE, TO INCLUDE BLACK LIVES MATTER POLITICAL STATEMENTS" --Oh wait. It doesn't. You disingenuous corporate-speak shills. Piss off.
"This can’t be said strongly enough" **** off. You've said nothing in the entire statement. You've done nothing. Shills.
So, needless to say, I am extremely pleased to say I was recommended GoodYear tires, bought them, and now that is NEVER happening again.
I am sorry that you're just a chat operator in this, and that you probably have to do 2-3 of these at once. But, I'll wager this chat won't go on much longer and take less than a minute of your time. If you guys are getting bombarded with these 1 minute chats .. I guess it should be a "things that make you go hmmmm" moment. GoodYear shouldn't be putting you guys in the line of fire, and certainly not releasing worthless statements that throw gasoline on the fire.
Maybe this could be a good spark to finding a better job at a better place :). In any case, GoodYear stock is down 6% because of this failure, and down 60% Year-To-Date because of their overall ineptness.
I hope you, personally, can have a good day! And GoodYear? Well - just keep doin' what ya been doin', guys. I like where this is going.
So: this is the response I got out of GoodYear lol:
Victor: This channel is only intended to help our consumers who are shopping for tires. I do not have any information on other topics like you are mentioning. Is there anything I can assist you with?
-Said nope, hoped he had good luck, and THIS is what GoodYear has placed in their auto-text library lmao. Effing morons.
Victor: For Quality Assurance purposes, I am forced to disconnect this chat. Thank you for choosing Goodyear.
How the hell is disconnecting the chat quality assurance purposes? Lmao. Well, they do have a chat line of 25 people, took like 5 minutes ... gave me plenty of time to get this text over onto here.
Also!!! Here is the link to the ARCHIVED GoodYear statement. Saved forever. http://archive.vn/sVBkn
Well, ain't that unhelpful.
Is this the "nazism espouses hatred while communism espouses equality for all"? Doing some quick googling ... looks like Nazism killed probably around 15-20 million or so, communism: anywhere from 50-110 million.
Wow, ain't communism just the God Damn ideology of peace, ain't it? It's a fairytale joke. If humans were angels, we wouldn't even need a government; period. Let alone a communistic one.
And Jordan Peterson has several great videos on communism. Anyone who thinks "that wasn't real communism, someone could put someone in charge who could pull it off" is the most arrogant and deluded statement. Clearly they lack an understanding of government power structures: anyone even half as saintly as required for the position would be stabbed in the back and gutted so fast you'd puke up your entire week's food. Then fall unconscious and choke on it.
Agreed.
-Btw Bball -- for the reddit trolls, this EO, as ordered, is a deferral of taxes, so that people still fortunate enough to have a job can have a +8%, and support (local) businesses so that they don't collapse and never come back. It isn't "giving away"//"gutting" anything.
-The EO, as currently ordered, is simply deferring payroll taxes from 8/1 to 12/31. See my post history, if making 60k/yr, it should defer about 1.5k. These people filing taxes should certainly get that much back as a tax refund ... but in this case, they likely won't get a refund (it's like the government gave you your 2021 refund cash advance, because of COVID ... tbh, that's a pretty good spin on things -- i like that, haha).
-So, no, as far as I can see: There is 0 room for criticism. Great move.
-Footnote: If anyone is actually on reddit, do they want to try seeing how the libs would feel if Trump pushed for a "tax refund cash advance" as COVID relief? Lmao.
-Well, probably most people (myself included) don't know. It looks like China holds 1.1 trillion in US debt, and there's approximately a 350 billion annual trade deficit with them (according to census.gov).
-So, defaulting on China would "solve 'that' problem for 4 years", it would still leave anywhere from 21-25 trillion in national debt, depending on who you believe. Also -- more importantly -- it doesn't even talk about the unfunded liabilities, which, depending on who you ask, is anywhere from 50 trillion (..2x the nat debt), or 200 trillion. Those are primarily unfunded/underfunded Social Security/Medicare promises over 75 years (~4 generations).
-So, defaulting on China does very little to solve this 50+ year snowball. It'd certainly wreak havoc on our credit rating, influencing the rate countries lend to us. I had to do some googling, looks like in 2019 our debt was 22 trillion, paid 393 trillion in interest.
-If our interest rate increased only 1%, then we pay an additional 220 billion interest on our balance. That kinda takes away a lot of the benefit of no longer having a trade deficit with China.
-I guess there's a lot more that needs to be covered than I can really write out in a comment haha. Ultimately, there isn't a single silver bullet to the US debt. I suppose one of the major takeaways is that Social Security is going to have to be reformed (I can only pray, abolished or fully privatized), which Trump is actually moving on (SS/Medicare are paid for by payroll taxes), so who knows. Hopefully good things!
-Just an obligatory footnote: Yeah, I definitely agree China isn't our friend, and there's a lot of things that could/should be done, it's just that trying to push defaulting on China as a major overhaul of our debt doesn't look to be a winning argument, just touching US credit/the interest time-bomb alone is pretty nasty.
We sure that's a uniquely Democrat trait, before throwing that slur around? Hahaha. To be honest - don't have enough presidential history to even know.
In any case, I'm pretty content to let the current posts/thread stand on their own merits
Ok - is there a presumption that I / we don't?
-Trump had to make a political decision to positively impact 86% of US workers. You're arguing he should've made it for 100% ... which has this immediate consequence: the Democrats now claim Trump is only helping, and disproportionately helping his fatcat buddies (because rich people always benefit more, ya know).
-So: In reality, now we turn a political move that easily has at least 50%+ support, and make it something that probably has "less than 50% support". Is that going to hold up, or lead to any benefits to anybody? Really probably not.
-Nope. If that's the political game we have to play (and it's not our choice), then I would much rather have the overwhelmingly positive spin, get the rust off the payroll tax legislative gears, and work towards Trump's speeches goal: to get rid of the payroll tax. Sounds awesome.
That's fair -- he did say he wanted to make permanent tax cuts to payroll, but really: I see that (emergency deferment of payroll vs abolishing payroll legislation) as two entirely separate concepts.
One is something he has put pen to paper already, and is kind of on the hook for to ensure it's followed up on. The other (abolishing the payroll tax) is honestly a campaign platform/issue, that is solely up to Congress and all Trump has on that is the bully pulpit.
That's an accurate current summary, to my understanding :-). To flesh out the pragmatics, it would really just hurt people's feelings when they see a smaller tax refund.
Fingers crossed - in my linked video above, Trump is on record wanting to forgive those taxes, hopefully a powerful indicator. If nothing else, it will make people wake up that 7.6% is being being straight up jacked out of their paychecks, maybe time to reconsider that one :)
Well, if we're going to do the math: 100k annual salary. EO that defers the payroll taxes (7.65%) from income 8/1/2020 to 12/31/2020 (assuming normal distribution, $33,333 earned in that period).
So, that is deferring $2,549.97 in taxes, for approximately 4 months, when you would file FY2020 in Jan 2021.
So, the difference between them on ~Feb 2021? 0.
Well, if you want to argue lost opportunity in interest/investments, assuming the S&P500 makes 10% annually throughout COVID (spoiler: it won't), those returns (something like 0.8% a month, 4 months, on monthly $637 deposits) ... about 30 bucks.
We going to keep complaining, on how Trump is for all intents and purposes, the only person who would have touched the payroll tax at all, for anybody?
Obligatory footnote: Trump says he wants to forgive the payroll taxes deferred when he wins Nov 3, which would be a fuck-yes moment.
Bold man, sacrificing $1200 he would have to write and pay for, to himself haha :) Edit: seems 3 people don't understand a (sarcastic) joke. You people do realize you write the checks that the government hands out - right? In any case, good on Bubadmt lol
All good man :). Happy to be on a lively discussion forum haha
I definitely understand the point: In a very pragmatic, individualistic, sense - you can't magic money out of thin air. It seems to work very different for nations lol (and, yes - there are tons of issues there too).
Not to be a complete downer, but we're 26.6 trillion in debt already; 136% debt to GDP. We've ran trillion dollar deficits for an entire decade; since 2010. This is clown world. No one even thinks it's possible to run a balanced budget (in Congress, anyways), what the hell are people doing???
-So, me and a good number of other people have effectively came to the realization: this debt is not going to be repaid. It will be defaulted on, either outright or nominally via inflation. People should prepare accordingly.
But, back in regards to my point: effectively, in regards to the above: The US is going to default, period. I don't see how this payroll tax action is going to have any impact, really. The game is simply this, to me: give people their money back. 'Cuz they need it. And good luck trying to collect on the US debt from me ;-), I've got a one letter word: repudiation :).
Adding my comment: I don't understand what's being discussed here?
In regards to: "He just made a move a Democrat would make" - what move is that? To the other comment: "We don't have 3 trillion dollars to give away", where is the reference to 3 trillion dollars?
To be clear: Looking up "payroll tax revenue": "In fiscal year 2019, federal payroll taxes generated $1.24 trillion". Extrapolating 8/1 to 12/31 is roughly 33% of the year // 33% revenue, that is a "410 billion".
To be more clear: As ordered, this is currently deferral of taxes, this is not money being given away.
I would say it particularly makes sense, because the narrative is that this is a transient hardship, for the country, that's not the people's fault, so I'd say it makes more sense to use the credit of the US government through this hard time rather than telling 300 million people to try to scrape money together, under this current narrative. (Just FYI, Trump stated he plans to forgive this Nov 3, but that's not this EO as ordered).
-So, in this instance, I'm not understanding why Trump is being equated to making Democrat moves?
Kind of disagree, that is a semantics argument of: "it can't possibly be a cut, because we absolutely have to pay it (deficit) back".
Not really. Bottom line: when I pay less taxes, it is a tax cut. What if the world blew up? The US defaults? My state secedes? The notion that 'the only possible outcome is I pay it back' is just inaccurate. The only actual thing, that actually happened, is I immediately paid less taxes (ie, a tax cut).
I'm much more happy that I'm paying less money now, and the onus is now on government to try to take people's money away again.
Yeah, I've read it's a deferment (OANN covid relief orders). Just to add clarity: I would have to imagine the idea is that these taxes would become paid when you file your 2020 taxes ... fun fact: you can get a free filing extension on taxes, until Oct 15, so that's 9 months to figure out how to pay taxes, on income, that you would have always paid.
Another thing is that most people get tax refunds. Since this is 8/1 through 12/31, that's 33% of the year .. assuming you make $60,000 annually: --$20,000 in income, during deferral period. The 7.65% payroll tax is not paid. -That's $1,529.
If you normally make 60k, and get a 1.5k refund .. then, you're just not going to get a refund in January, unless something happens to push for permanent forgiveness.
Edit: fyi - in Trump's speech, he stated if he wins on Nov 3, he plans to forgive these taxes, pretty important info.
Any chance you have the source on hoping to make it a permanent forgivance?
I checked OANN (4 exec orders on covid relief), it just has a clip where he says it's being deferred (until the end of 2020).
FYI ... had the misfortune of reading a legacy media article who quoted a Democrat about how "this is going to make things hard when they get an unexpected bill" -- lol; the vast majority of Americans get refunds every year. IE, it'll likely just reduce your refund, or eliminate it. So, that sounds stupid to me.
I'd be ecstatic if it's just cut and not paid back lol. In any case, it's a no-brainer to pause it while this ****show is going on, good move. But I don't see where there's an expectation of it being forgiven right now.
EDIT: I had to look and find the source video. Found it on Youtube: "President Trump accuses Democrats of "obstruction" after COVID-19 aid talks break down | FULL" by Global News. Remarks start at 13 minutes, quote at 14:20: "If I'm victorious on November 3rd, I plan to forgive these taxes".
--Added a comment on OANN's article too so the information can actually be put out there, lol.
Yeah - you're right actually, apparently my ears weren't working too good last night. Just gonna delete the comment, doesn't make much sense when she said "the day we lost Bader Ginsburg", rather than "the day we launched". Thanks bud