Some of the biggest supporters of Israel in the church were some of the loudest voices for Trump. Jack Hibbs, for example, is very pro Israel, and also was one of the most vocal pro Trump and anti Biden pastors I know of.
For voting Trump, I don't think I made a single post on my personal social media backing Trump (or stating how I voted in any way). Those conversations were only in person. I'm deep in Southern California, and it never felt like a battle worth engaging in, as those against Trump had deeper core problems that were blinding them to any arguement for Trump.
Instead, I was on the offense against lies in the media, would expose evil of politicians, and would make posts about truth. It is difficult to reach people who are brainwashed without breaking down some of the brainwashing.
Wheb I had Trump conversations, I only think I had that discussion with church people, and it was typically centered around the fact that those opposing Trump stand against the Bible on basically every single issue, from sanctity of life, to God "created them male and female." Trump isn't Jesus, but he is fighting the devil.
It usually also requires attacking welfare as it is as deeply unbiblical, destroying men and families, but I don't feel like typing up Biblical arguements like that on my phone.
I ignore personal attacks, but bring the conversation back from red herrings, and don't let them redefine my point with a straw man. (Edit) I will call out logical fallacies, either directly if they would know the word "strawman," or indirectly with "that isn't what I said" / "that isn't what I believe" / etc.
For some points, like marxism vs capitalism, the problem is a disagreement at a foundational level. I only argued that a few times with a transgender communist that I know from university days, and I think he is genuine, so I gave him honest answers.
The core problem is a misunderstanding of human nature; if marxist philosophy is correct, then socialism and communism works. Of course, marxist philosophy is false, as it is based on the idea that people are innately pure and good, and thus in a good society people will work hard for the good of others with no concern for themselves.
Reality, as every person who lives in the real world has seen, is that people are naturally selfish. While some might selflessly help others in situations, they aren't going to work long hours on a difficult job if the reward is the same as working an easy job. Not everyone equally values hard work, so when they start mixing in a socialist society, one group becomes a drag, and eventually every other group drops to the bottom level of production. If this wasn't obvious from simple life experience, we now have many examples over 100 years of how productivity drops in truly marxist societies.
Still, all the points against socialism fail to make an impact if the person refuses to accept absolute truth, and the natural human proclivity towards selfishness. Socialism vs capitalism is a higher level arguement that makes little progress if a person disagrees with axiomatic truths. These people typically think supply and demand is a capitalist construct, when it clearly is an immutable law of human nature, even existing in marxist societies via the black market.
So on socialism verses capitalism*, I point out that it is a pointless discussion to have unless they can agree on issues pertaining to absolute truth and human nature, as that is actually what the disagreement is about.
I don't know what Christianity you think has been lost, I've just seen a sifting of the church.
A lot of pastors were exposed as spineless, others as weak, and many as outright frauds.
Many of the frauds were exposed during the summer riots, holding services where they'd denounce whiteness. Some of those clowns still have people showing up, but many of them lost many members to the covid scare, many who decided they'd rather do other things on Sunday. Good, no church is better than false teachings.
Some of the pastors who were just weak, feel-good speakers lost their congregations to covid fear. Again, many people still haven't gone back, with many deciding they never will. These weak pastors might not be comeplete frauds, but they didn't teach their church truth.
Many of the cowardly pastors who refused to open have had many people in their churches leave and go where there is a pastor who kept the doors to the church open.
And then, there are those standing firm. Some have been punished, like the pastor in Edmonton, Canada, are in prison as I type this. Others, like in San Jose, California, are facing large fines. Still, their congregations are stronger than ever. It is like in China, the church has continually grown, even as the commies try to stamp it out.
TL;DR: there are less fake Christians. While there are still some popular phonies in the spotlight, overall the church in North America is healthier than it has been in a long while, as many are finally seeing clearly.
My stance is to not waste time with arguements online. Dispersing information is useful, and discussions with similarly minded people like on this site are good, but that's it for me. People hardly listen in real life unless they really know you (or feel like they do), so how much less in when they are online?
I have destroyed plenty of leftists online, some I knew personally, some strangers. I never would use ad hominem even as they resort to personal attacks, straw men, and red herrings, I would just civilly stomp out their awful points, usually with some ethos and pathos thrown in.
Maybe it had an effect, I'd get Facebook message from strangers thanking me for making good, level headed arguements, but I just got tired of it, and still would see the people I was trying to reach live their crazy lives detached from morals and reality. In person I was able to have rational conversations, but online, all their fringe friends pile on and go full group think.
Some can be saved, but not without consequences. It's one of the reasons the demonic left push to not punish criminals: there is no chance of repentance if they never have to deal with the fact that they made terrible choices and need to make changes to their life.
On the current trajectory, almost all will be lost. Still, we don't know what the future holds, and catastrophe may hit their lives that will open the door to change.
Pretty much all the communists and LGBTQ people I know (many that grew up in a conservative church) hate him now, and I don't think they like Kamala either.
I wonder if they knew and planned for this to happen, or if they really thought they could make the rabid dogs heel.
Was Ehud evil for deceiving the Moabite guards, breaking their law of not having a weapon when meeting their king, and then assassinating the king Eglon?
Moreover, what is the law of the land? Is it the Constitution still, and if so then is wrestling control back from illegitimate oppressors wrong? Is breaking their rules that violate the Constitution of the land breaking the law, or is it making straight that which is crooked?
If the rulers are evil and illegitimate, is it wrong to fight for freedom? If so, then is the whole US a travesty of rebels who fought an immoral war against England?
It really is the smart business move too, because the sort of leftists who complain about this stuff will either never be a customer of a high end hotel, or will be the kind to trash a room and then leave a negative review.
It doesn't matter what the curriculum is if a communist is the person teaching it. The teacher training materials are all Marxist cancer, and I don't think it is just here in California. Teacher certification programs need reformed, because they are the primary means of indoctrination gatekeeping.
The same philosophical faults underpin all forms of marxism. They deny absolute truth, and deny humans are selfish by nature. Statistics are being hidden, but the same productivity drop is hitting Europe now.
As for their goals, those are all completely impossible; a 1% tax will not support universal Healthcare. I don't think taxing the top 10% an extra 10% would pay for universal healthcare. Social security and Medicare will soon have no money, so they don't work fine.
These are people who think Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk have tens of billions of dollars in a bank account or something; they honestly think they can just make them pay 20 billion dollars in taxes each and solve healthcare, not understanding their wealth is in stock, and that liquidating large amounts could crash the whole economy.
But again, they live in fairy tale land, so these arguements make no dent in their thick armor of ignorance. The problem is that they deny that the human soul is natural source of selfishness, and that it is good parenting and society that steers a person in the right direction. Many even deny laziness being a problem; Karl Marx himself was known to be a very lazy man, so it is no surprise his follower too are lazy and make external excuses for their self serving unproductiveness.