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PM_ME_UR_VIVOZ 6 points ago +6 / -0

Trump seems to be taking the internal insurrection route, as opposed to just starting a new party. Given the tens of millions of people who are ready to torch the whole GOP, that means primaries and no-holds-barred removal of anyone who stabbed him in the back. This is the proper play, particularly in an environment where the vote is knowingly rigged ahead of time.

If we all got off our asses today and just took over the party, one local outfit at a time, the people who are busy fucking us with it would have no power. If we create a third party, the people who are busy fucking us would just laugh while they print more ballots and bury us in them.

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PM_ME_UR_VIVOZ 1 point ago +1 / -0

Maybe, but that would be a strategic mistake. America falls when the ones with guns are killed, not when the ones who stab the ones with guns in the back are killed.

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PM_ME_UR_VIVOZ 7 points ago +8 / -1

Because it was never legit, and he's been pretty clear he wants a takeover, not a split.

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PM_ME_UR_VIVOZ 0 points ago +1 / -1

The weakest 100 million who would never have fought back and probably just agitated for surrender, tbf.

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PM_ME_UR_VIVOZ 0 points ago +3 / -3

While it may be comforting to fall in to imagination and hidden conspiracies, reality is far more sobering and necessary for everyone to accept. Trump was stabbed in the back by everyone and had no choice but to leave. There was never a wider plot to arrest everyone, there was never a wider plan to lock everyone up. What we visibly saw happen, is what happened, and that's that.

Quit looking for unicorns to cling to. Doing that is part of the reason we are where we are right now.

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PM_ME_UR_VIVOZ 2 points ago +2 / -0

See: Fatima. We were warned. We did nothing. The promised chastisement is en route, or already mostly here.

God isn't ashamed of us, per se. It's just that, at this point, what is to come is the most valid way for the most possible to be saved. Justice has a way of sorting out the good and bad, and justice can only be withheld on account of mercy until it is most merciful to simply levy justice.

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PM_ME_UR_VIVOZ 1 point ago +1 / -0

Peter literally means "rock." Cephas means "rock." Cephas translates to Peter as a name not because it sounds the same, but because it means "rock." Peter's original name was Simon, until he was given this name by Christ. God founded the Church on himself, and built it on all of us who have faith with Peter at its head in this temporal space. There is no reality wherein the Catholic Church is a bunch of braindead rubes following mere men. That's a protestant tradition.

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PM_ME_UR_VIVOZ 1 point ago +1 / -0

You're projecting, heretic. You're also very, very bad at following directions. Like, for example, my directing you to some other corner to be a heretic in.

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PM_ME_UR_VIVOZ 1 point ago +1 / -0

You're twisting in the wind like every heretic - trying to make a point that leads nowhere, and thus, making no point at all other than revealing how little you truly know.

I know that many will burn in hell because they don't partake of the sacraments and are outside of the Church. These aren't "the traditions of men," they're hard guidance provided by Christ before his ascension. Based on what I read here, you are on that path. You declare the traditions of the Church themselves to be heresy and meaningless, and in so doing, eschew the very body of Christ which saves.

Now think about what you've done, and go be a fucking heretic the fuck over there. Bye.

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PM_ME_UR_VIVOZ 1 point ago +1 / -0

Jesus is God. God gave us marriage, and forbade sexual union outside of it. Christ himself was baptized, and we are to emulate him.

I have more knowledge of what is in God’s word than you, and it shows. Go be a heretic somewhere else.

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PM_ME_UR_VIVOZ 1 point ago +1 / -0

Hahahahahaha, a sacrament you yourself deny. Let’s just pretend marriage isn’t scriptural too, yeah? Since you’ve tossed that one out. Or baptism. Any more heresies you wish to regurgitate?

I said go be a heretic somewhere else. Like, for example, over there.

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PM_ME_UR_VIVOZ 1 point ago +1 / -0

How amusing that, in suggesting I'm whipping straw men, you are yourself inventing a straw man to whip.

If God didn't feel a Church was necessary, he wouldn't have founded one. He did. If God didn't feel we needed the sacraments, he wouldn't have made quite clear that the bread and wine are his body and blood - to the point watching many walk away from him when he preached it. So on, and so forth.

Go be a heretic somewhere else, thx.

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PM_ME_UR_VIVOZ 1 point ago +1 / -0

Lol, let's just forget the entirety of the context around the second statement and make Christ ultimately a flip flopping liar. Typical protestant garbage.

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PM_ME_UR_VIVOZ 1 point ago +1 / -0

You assume that the Catholic Church that exists today is the same church that Christ founded, and that is where I will disagree with you.

So you're calling Christ a liar, and in so doing, denying his divinity and his salvation. Thus, you are a heretic. Got it.

God the Son became man. He was crucified, died, and rose from the grave. He founded a Church. He didn't found a book club. If you truly believe you can divine the meaning of the scriptures without the Church he founded specifically for the purpose of bringing us to Him, well, good luck.

The apostles themselves said that if another apostle or even an angel comes with a different gospel than Christ's, then he should be cast out.

I'll bet you think Paul taught people to ignore Peter and find their own path to salvation, too. Heretic.

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PM_ME_UR_VIVOZ 1 point ago +1 / -0

...it's really hard to find any of this persuasive given the current state of the Catholic Church. It's on a huge downhill trajectory. Your pope talks about redistributing wealth and accepting same sex marriages. The Novus Ordo doesn't look anything like mass from the early church.

You're not wrong. The Church has a particularly scandalous Pope right now, the destruction of the traditional mass has paid dividends over time, and things look bleak. It's also not the first time things have looked bleak. They've been more bleak. Christ holds true to his promise to preserve the Church from error in the end, and maintain it until the time of his return. Bishops are more regularly standing up to be slapped and speak against the heresies appearing in the Vatican, the Latin mass is spreading uninterrupted in the wake of Pope Benedict's re-promulgation of it, and no matter how many James Martins try to do so, dogma on sexuality and marriage remains the same. The Church has never been weaker, and yet never been stronger. It's a paradox, and God works in paradoxes.

As with all such moments in time, the solution is not to abandon ship when your ship needs you the most to save it. It's to save the ship.

You're also accusing others of essentially a power grab while at the same time advocating for primacy of your team.

I wouldn't say I'm accusing anyone of a power grab, rather, I'm accusing them of being outside the Church - a place in which there is no salvation, dogmatically. I also don't advocate for the primacy of my team, I know my team holds primacy because of what my team is. Some might call it hubris, others arrogance, I look at it as a simple acceptance of the actual state of things.

It's been said you can find the Church by looking for where it is most persecuted. The blue hairs in OP's video here, you don't ever find them invading protestant churches. You don't find them invading Orthodox churches, either. They attack Catholic, and near 100% exclusively Catholic, churches. Satan is their handler, and knows quite certainly who his enemy actually is.

As to the immaculate conception, the eastern particular churches accepted it long ago. I'm sure the remaining churches in schism will do the same in time. The theology behind it is incredibly solid, and arguing against it becomes visibly blasphemous to even the arguer over a long enough period of time.

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PM_ME_UR_VIVOZ 0 points ago +1 / -1

Heresy

You keep trying to use that word, and yet clearly have no idea what it means. Maybe when you can handle simple heresies like supporting the use of abortifacients, we can chat further.

Vatican II is a fun punching bag because it was such trash, but that doesn't make the church Christ founded suddenly dead. Or was Christ a liar when he said the gates of hell would never prevail against it? 🤔

Careful, your answer could be heresy ;)

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PM_ME_UR_VIVOZ 1 point ago +1 / -0

LMFAOOOO dude you keep going on and on about some oriental church like I'm ever going to give a fuck

ummmmm - not exactly. They had a loose agreement of Rome being a "first among EQUALS" - then it stopped treated everyone else as an equal.

Ummmm - yes, exactly. There was no "loose agreement" of Rome being "first among equals," it was a unanimous understanding and consent to the bishop of Rome being preeminent and presidential in role. I'd direct you to any of the Church fathers on this matter, but you'd reject them as heretics because you, yourself, are sliding in to it.

This is a Catholic teaching, not a Christian one. The purpose of sex is to strengthen the bonds of marriage. This is accomplished even if that specific act is not intended to result in offspring.

The Catholic Church is the Church. The purpose of sex is as I wrote it, per the Church.

Ok and that would do nothing to cure the divide with the rest of the Orthodox churches. Also, it seems strange that you take pleasure in the current division, that is something that should sadden any real Christian.

You're inserting words or intent I never provided. I take no pleasure in the divide. I do, however, take pleasure in swatting away heretics and schismatics trying to further tear people away from Peter's boat.

There is no way the divide between any orthodox church and Rome will be healed. There are too many theological differences.

There is precisely 1 theological difference between them, the filioque, and it's long been resolved between Rome and the eastern particular churches who never partook in schism. There are fairly specific theological divides between Rome/Constantinople and churches long steeped in heresy, but that's for another day.

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PM_ME_UR_VIVOZ -1 points ago +1 / -2

You're prattling on like someone who converted to an eastern schismatic branch because it's edgy and rebellious in modern society to do so, not like you have any actual grounding in the faith you think you hold to. I'll laugh at that and point it out until I die.

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PM_ME_UR_VIVOZ 0 points ago +1 / -1

🤣🤣

Yeah, you're definitely not a cradle Orthodox. The Church fathers, and all the heads of the particular churches, agreed on the primacy of Rome until it was politically expedient for Constantinople to eschew it. As to Rome just "making up" restrictions on birth control, nah. The sexual act is specifically reserved for those joined in marriage, and must be ordered towards procreation. Removing that removes its divine character, and reduces it to mutual masturbation. Like I said, heresy.

That divide is on the cusp of being bridged. There is no theological difference between the faith of the various Orthodox churches, they all believe in the exact same thing.

The Pope and the Patriarch of Constantinople will end the Great Schism before the Orthodox are ever "united." I chuckle at any other suggestion.

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