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PorchLightOn 1 point ago +1 / -0

Here's the thing; we can't assume that any state Rep, state Senator, or Governor is going to do anything unless we keep the pressure on them. Most of them have shown us they prefer to do nothing.

Do what you think is best, but I intend to hammer legislators with calls and emails to make sure that something is done with these findings. And I'm going to spread the findings as much as I can to the people I know. I'm not going to wait for somebody to fix things for me.

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PorchLightOn 3 points ago +3 / -0

How much, and which methods contributed what percentage of the fraud (I'm interested in that too.) I expect a combination of fraudulent actions were used across the country. Harder to detect; a little here, a little there, and just enough to add up to the numbers they needed.

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PorchLightOn 5 points ago +5 / -0

It's a great thread. It really picks up my spirits, because smart people having thoughtful discussions about where we go from here is about the only way we'll get out of the mess we're in.

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PorchLightOn 2 points ago +2 / -0

In that case, good for you for mentioning it to them. That's what I'm doing with my family, and friends, online and in real life. Letting them know what I know. Some of them are now sharing my email updates with other family members; I consider that a win, because I don't expect the activist media to do anything but denigrate any results we hear tomorrow.

I'm not going to let the media dictate what I choose to communicate to the people I know, and I've already warned them about I expect the media to do.

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PorchLightOn 2 points ago +2 / -0

You do have a great attitude, and thanks for doing this post. Your comments here, and the excellent comments by ShyRipley, represent exactly where my thinking is, too. I'm just reading and upvoting, appreciating the thoughtful comments by many, and thinking there's not much I can add that others haven't already stated perfectly.

If we don't fight, they win. Yup.

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PorchLightOn 3 points ago +3 / -0

That sounds very logical to me. Especially the part about establishment Republicans being inept at managing their voter fraud systems, and the Democrats excelling at it.

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PorchLightOn 1 point ago +1 / -0

Maybe the report will include enough indication of serious problems to convince the Senate to secure the actual paper envelopes, and continue on with a forensic inspection of those. I wish I didn't have the sense that Karen Fann is getting tired, but maybe that door isn't completely closed yet. I keep thinking some of this may depend on public response to the findings in the report.

Seems like the Senate might be interested in securing forensic evidence from the actual envelopes, if they're convinced this will wind up in court, as the MCBOS keeps saying.

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PorchLightOn 3 points ago +3 / -0

What did you find happened in California as a response to this suit? Anything? Did they eject ES&S and adopt some other system? Or did they ever analyze ES&S?

At least some counties did switch to other voting machines. The Nov 2007 lawsuit by Bowen focused on a specific ES&S AutoMark A200 voting machine purchased by five counties: Colusa, Marin, Merced, San Francisco, and Solano.

These A200 machines were only used by blind or hearing impaired voters, so it didn't affect all of the voting machines used by the counties. Just one AutoMark A200 machine per voting center.

San Francisco County bought the biggest number, and by Feb 2008 they'd switched to Sequoia voting machines because of the lawsuit. I think Marin went to Diebold optiscans. Colusa and Merced were using ES&S optiscans in Feb 08 (but I don't know if that's different from the ES&S AutoMarks?) Can't find what Solano county did. Looking through old articles, it was not a fun time for those counties, wondering what in the heck machines they were supposed to use.

War_Hamster, I'm just going to drop some links here, in case you want to keep them for background info:

Nov 2007 lawsuit filed by Bowen against ES&S, seeking $15 million in penalites: https://admin.cdn.sos.ca.gov/press-releases/prior/2007/DB07_086.pdf

March 2009 settlement of above lawsuit; ES&S paid $3.5 million: https://admin.cdn.sos.ca.gov/press-releases/2009/db09-014.pdf

A very comprehensive report assessing 2008 California election integrity, by the far left Democratic Underground. Lots of info about what voting equipment was used in which county at the time, if that helps: https://archive.is/POu8M

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PorchLightOn 5 points ago +5 / -0

I wasn't familiar with this. I have lots to catch up on, in your comment.

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PorchLightOn 3 points ago +3 / -0

Sounds like SoS Bowen won her seat by defeating a Republican who had no problem with voting machine vendors. So in 2006, as now, there were Republicans happy to accept the risk of election fraud.

Bowen, a Democrat, was elected last November largely on her promise to re-examine the state's voting systems. In an upset victory, she defeated Republican Bruce McPherson who had been appointed as Secretary of State by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenneger. McPherson had been very friendly to the voting machine vendors, allowing for the continued use of virtually every e-voting system submitted for state certification. Several of those systems had been previously revealed to have had grave vulnerabilities and included source code which was in violations of federal voting systems standards and in violation of state law.

https://www.bradblog.com/?p=4914&c=14841540925477349229&mkt=en-us

More reinforcement that election fraud isn't a Dem vs Repub issue. It's us versus them. People who care about legal votes being counted, versus people who are willing to keep political power by using systems that can be manipulated at will. And it's been going on for a very long time.

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PorchLightOn 2 points ago +2 / -0

Right, and there have been unsubstantiated statements that ballots were approved that had no signatures on the envelopes (a violation of AZ election law.) Maybe one of his assignments was simply to provide the Senate with the total number of blank envelopes, and another total number of suspicious signatures, to give them a ballpark idea of the scale of the problem.

It doesn't seem to me he had enough time to do detailed signature matching, but I don't know. If he didn't, and the numbers are bad enough, I wondered if that could even be done in another phase of investigation. Especially since we already know they'll have another report in the future, regarding the information they're trying to get from the routers and logs, via Karen Fann's new arrangement with the MCBOS.

I'm just guessing though...

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PorchLightOn 2 points ago +2 / -0

I don't have much to go on except the above article, but it implies he was able to develop an algorithm to analyze the envelope images, and he probably developed some kind of program to analyze the ballot images as well. He has an IT background and has developed platforms for a range of purposes.

https://vashiva.com/about-va-shiva-ayyadurai/

Edited to add: the article also says that audit spokesman Randy Pullen cited Ayyadurai's work conducting signature reviews for banks as a factor in his hiring.

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PorchLightOn 3 points ago +3 / -0

I think the Senate was keeping Dr. Shiva's involvement quiet for a while.

The lefty litigation group American Oversight won a recent public records lawsuit against the AZ Senate. The Senate had to release their audit-related records to the group, and one thing that came to light were two contracts with Dr. Shiva.

One Aug 27 contract was to do a review of the signatures on the envelope images, to look for envelopes that have no signature at all, and to look for signatures that seem problematic. That's what Shiva will be presenting tomorrow.

The other (July) contract was to do a review of the Dominion ballot images, to look at the Presidential and Senate races. But in early September, that contract was on hold, because the data the county gave the auditors was corrupted. 40% of the ballot images would not open. At least, that's what the article below says.

This info comes from this (very lefty and horrible) Sept 3 AZ Central article. It's the only place I've found any details, and Jen Fifield at AZ Central fibs a lot...but the specific facts are probably pretty reliable.
https://archive.is/noX3b

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PorchLightOn 1 point ago +1 / -0

Make sure your friends and family know about the results. Ask they if they've been following the story. If they're generally out of the loop about the audit, be ready to give them a short summary. Then be ready to give them more details as things unfold.

Be ready to put some facts from the audit findings in front of people on social media, to counteract the narrative that the whole audit is nothing but a lie constructed by conspiracy theorists. Be respectful, stay calm, and be persistent.

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PorchLightOn 1 point ago +1 / -0

Wandrea Shaye Moss; she was scheduled for a deposition along with Ruby Freeman, but it's been delayed as the Fulton County audit (from Garland Favarito's lawsuit) has been delayed by legal wrangling by the county and state. Next hearing is mid November.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/06/breaking-ruby-freemans-daughter-election-supervisor-wandrea-shaye-moss-subpoenaed-deposition-fulton-county-ga/

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PorchLightOn 2 points ago +2 / -0

Ruby Freeman (and others in that video) were scheduled to do video depositions as part of Garland Favarito's lawsuit in Fulton County, but the depositions were postponed when the audit was postponed, due to legal wrangling by the Fulton County and the state.

Favarito's original preference was to do the depositions after the audit, when they know exactly what to focus in on with questions. But now the next hearing isn't until mid November, and the audit is unlikely to be any time soon because it will conflict with Fulton County municipal elections. Pretty frustrating.

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PorchLightOn 1 point ago +1 / -0

The media will never run with the headline that Biden did not win Maricopa County. Why frame your expectations in a way that gives the media power they don't really have? Just because the media is yapping (or giving us a total blackout on news, which is more likely) doesn't mean they represent what the majority of people in this country really believe.

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PorchLightOn 1 point ago +1 / -0

Mainstream media no longer has much to do with mainstream America. At this point, the majority is little more than activist propaganda, being fed to a mostly leftist audience they hope will continue to pay their bills. Cable news is losing audience share steadily. What we used to call MSM still matters, but we should be careful not to keep thinking of them as the biggest factor shaping public opinion in 2021.

What matters more is what people truly think as talk to their family and friends, take their kids to school, go to work, and go about their daily lives. We can agree to disagree, but I have faith that people understand a lot more about what's really happening in our country than we can tell from what the "journalists" (now actually activists) try to put in front of us.

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PorchLightOn 2 points ago +2 / -0

Agree, having to fight so many separate battles in different states is a real pain, and exhausting to follow, too. People don't have unlimited time to follow news in six states at the same time. Plus, I suspect the recipe of fraud was slightly different in each swing state, so it's not like solving the mystery in one state will fit perfectly with the next. The opposition is evil, but not stupid.

Our opinions about convincing fence-sitters probably depends on where we live, and who we know. I know quite a few conservatives and lefties who still don't think there was enough fraud to have affected the numbers in any state. I think they're likely to be affected by a demonstration of significant fraud.

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PorchLightOn 1 point ago +1 / -0

I agree with you about corrupt legislators fighting tooth and nail, against bringing their own corruption to light. But I don't see anyone saying Arizona fixed itself. Even if Friday's hearing shows serious fraud, Arizona's far from fixed, and it has taken the efforts of literally thousands of people to get to this point. It's going to be uphill all the way, as you said.

Some of the people saying things like "Arizona will be the first domino to fall" are talking about the state residents being energized, not the politicians caving. If people in the mushy middle see serious AZ fraud with their own eyeballs, they'll almost certainly start wondering how much fraud happened with their own votes in their own states.

That means more support for the voter integrity groups that are already working in other states. More support for those groups means more pressure on legislators. That's the only way the corrupt criminals will be forced to abandon their preferred template of permanent fraud from here on out.

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PorchLightOn 4 points ago +5 / -1

I understand your feeling, but the truth is, if we stop voting, we're literally helping the opposition's plan succeed. I'm just suggesting that's something to think about.

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