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RatioInvictus 0 points ago +1 / -1

"Why would you expect that the average heights of various groups would be predictive of the height of any individual, namely me? You seem hung up on extrapolating group characteristics to individuals, despite claiming that’s not what you’re doing - that’s exactly what you’re doing 🤦🏻‍♀️

The fact remains that different demographic groups experience different life outcomes. Sorry if that’s awkward for you."

Holy fuck, are you stupid.

  1. You fucking moron, I said "determinative," not "predictive."
  2. You fucking moron, I'm arguing AGAINST the extrapolation of "group characteristics," which AREN'T FUCKING CHARACTERISTICS, YOU FUCKING MORON, to individuals. Hence, the point of the thread and the last six fucking explanations to you. Is it syphilis? Creutzfeldt-Jakob? Seriously: what the fuck is your major fucking malfunction?
  3. You fucking moron, DEMOGRAPHIC GROUPS DON'T EXPERIENCE ANYTHING. THEY'RE FUCKING ABSTRACTIONS, YOU FUCKING MORON.
  4. There's nothing awkward about pointing out your stunning levels of obtuse idiocy - it's just repetitive and boring.

Me: "A." You: "You said 'B.' Sorry if that's awkward for you." Me: "I didn't say 'B,' I said 'A," like, 50 times." You: "So, 'B," then? I don't know why you would say 'B.' "

Seriously: you should be under guardianship; are you in Congress? Nancy, is that you?

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RatioInvictus 0 points ago +1 / -1

"As a group, men are taller than women - I don’t really see how you can dispute this fact 🤷🏻‍♀️ I also don’t understand why you would want to, it’s not controversial. And I say that as a woman who’s taller than most men."

You're totally right: I can't dispute the fact that, as a group, men are taller than women. THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T DISPUTE THAT FACT, YOU FUCKING MORON.

If only you were smarter, instead of taller, it would really help this process. Let's try it this way, since all the simpler ways failed:

  1. How many group heights are you? Are you, e.g. the height of a group of women? The height of a group of American women? The height of a group of white women? How does the "group height" (which isn't an attribute of the group, but in fact an abstraction of a mathematical calculation of the heights of what amounts to a random selection of women) affect YOUR height? Does it DETERMINE your height? The correct answer is: "no."

  2. Individual height is NOT A FUNCTION of group height, because there IS NO GROUP HEIGHT - it's a calculated abstraction, not a measurable attribute.

  3. Individual "outcome" is NOT A FUNCTION of group "outcome," for the same reason.

  4. Correlation of a group value/characteristic/outcome to a controlled variable isn't a causal relationship, in either direction.

  5. Conduct IS NOT an attribute and race isn't a independent variable with high correlation, let alone causality to conduct, as a dependent variable.

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RatioInvictus 0 points ago +1 / -1

No, you fucking moron: SOME men are taller than SOME women. And it's STILL NOT a rational analog, let alone a correlate of conduct. You need to stop getting laid by strapped-up prostitutes; clearly you need a break. Or some other unrelated bullshit.

You remain: THE DUMBEST MOTHERFUCKER ON PATRIOTS.WIN. And I stopped caring about your luck 9 messages ago; eat a bag of dicks, retard.

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RatioInvictus 0 points ago +1 / -1

This is where we are: at the comment thread limit (so I have to post the reply HERE).

Yet again, fuck, you're stupid.

THE IMPLICATION, AGAIN, OF YOUR STUPID FUCKING ARGUMENT, IS THAT AVERAGES ACTUALLY MEAN SOMETHING FOR INDIVIDUALS. THEY DON'T. THE AVERAGE OF A RACE "GROUP'S" (WHICH ISN'T EVEN A REAL FUCKING GROUP, IT'S AN ABSTRACT LOGICAL GROUPING; THEY DON'T FUCKING KNOW EACH OTHER. THERE ARE 46 MILLION FUCKING BLACK AMERICANS; THEY'RE NOT A "GROUP," YOU FUCKING IDIOT) INCOME DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING. AND THE "AVERAGES" AND THE ENTIRE DISTRIBUTION IS OVERLAPPING WITH THE SAME METRIC FOR OTHER RACE "GROUPS." THAT'S WHY I KEEP TELLING YOU THE SAME THING, BECAUSE, EVEN THOUGH YOU KEEP SAYING "I NEVER SAID THEY WERE!" YOUR ACTUAL ARGUMENT IS DEPENDENT ON ASSERTING THAT RELATIONSHIP. LOOK UPTHREAD, YOU FUCKING IDIOT - THE QUESTION IS, DOES RACE DETERMINE CULTURE WHICH DETERMINES CONDUCT. THE ANSWER IS "FUCKING NO." "STILL FUCKING NO." "FOR FUCK'S SAKE, YOU FUCKING MOUTH-BREATHING, HALF-WITTED, MONKEY-FUCKING, EXTRA-FUCKING-CHROMOSOME MORON: NO. SHOULDN'T YOU BE WEARING A HELMET, FOR INSURANCE PURPOSES?"

DO ALL BLACK FAMILIES HAVE DIFFERENT INCOME THAN ALL WHITE FAMILIES? NO. OBVIOUSLY. DO SOME? YES, OBVIOUSLY. DO ALL WHITE FAMILIES HAVE THE SAME INCOME AS ALL OTHER WHITE FAMILIES? NO, OBVIOUSLY. DO SOME? YES, OBVIOUSLY. DO ALL BLACK FAMILIES HAVE THE SAME INCOME AS ALL OTHER BLACK FAMILIES? NO, OBVIOUSLY. DO SOME? YES, OBVIOUSLY. WELL, THEN: IT ISN'T FUCKING RACE, YOU FUCKING MORON. YOUR CENTRAL PROBLEM, OTHER THAN BEING A FUCKING MORON, IS THAT YOU SPECIFICALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN DEPENDENT, INDEPENDENT, CONFOUNDING, AND CONTROL VARIABLES. GUESS WHICH CATEGORY RACE FALLS INTO? I'LL GIVE YOU FOUR CHANCES: WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT, YOU STUPID FUCK: IT'S A CONTROL VARIABLE. IT'S NEITHER DEPENDENT, NOR INDEPENDENT AND CAUSAL, NOR CONFOUNDING BY INFLUENCING BOTH THE DEPENDENT AND INDEPENDENT VARIABLES. HOW THE FUCK DO YOU NOT SEE THIS?

AND YET, FUCKING AGAIN, INCOME ISN'T A PROXY FOR "OUTCOME," WHATEVER THE FUCK "OUTCOME" MEANS. YOU'RE LITERALLY USING AN ILLOGICAL, BASELESS ARGUMENT ABOUT AN INAPPLICABLE ANALOG TO ILLUSTRATE YOUR INCORRECT SUPPOSITION ABOUT CHARACTERISTICS THAT AREN'T DETERMINED BY RACE. THAT'S HOW FUCKING STUPID YOU ARE. AND THEN YOU STRUT AROUND THE CHESS BOARD, LIKE THE PROVERBIAL SHITTING PIGEON, PLEASED WITH YOURSELF BECAUSE YOU'RE TOO FUCKING STUPID TO UNDERSTAND JUST EXACTLY HOW FUCKING STUPID YOU ARE. LOOK UP DUNNING-KRUGER, YOU STUPID FUCK; IT'S YOU. That's not enough fucks, but it's all I had.

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RatioInvictus 2 points ago +2 / -0

There are two primary ways to find a submarine w/sonar:

  1. Look for the sound of the submarine.
  2. If they're really good, look for the hole in the sound of the ocean.

THIS is a type 1 situation, here; they are squeaking and fighting to keep patriots from verifying voters and documenting the evidence of their fraud. Dense flak = over the target.

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RatioInvictus 0 points ago +1 / -1

You cbf a lot of things, apparently, like English, facts, reason, and logic.

And, no, we don't agree on that. Even when you self-servingly interpret, twist, misstate, and then pretend it's something I said. Like up above, where you said that you barely graduated high school and have desperately hidden your own insecurities regarding your dyslexia ever since. See how I did that, exactly the way you've been doing it?

Again, and for fuck's sake, I hope for the last time: averages are not determinative for individuals, race is not a determinative attribute for income, and income isn't a proxy for "outcome" (again, whatever the fuck "outcome" means); nor does race = culture, though you may find it prevalent among a particular race for reasons of historic, geographical exposure (e.g. lederhosen - not going to find a lot of black men in them (though you can find some); it's not because they're black).

The only thing we agree on is that you're the dumbest motherfucker on patriots.win, which is saying something; my job is to point it out and your job is to exemplify it. So I guess we're a team, now, though you're surely the star.

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RatioInvictus 0 points ago +1 / -1

White families have different incomes from other white families, you fucking moron. Black families have different incomes from other black families. Many white families and black families have the same income as other white and black families. It isn't the skin color/race. I keep telling you the average isn't determinative for individuals because it's a point about the relationship between group averages and individual attributes/characteristics, which you keep missing because you're too fucking stupid to understand it, and worse, don't want to. And never mind that "average income" and "life outcomes" (whatever the fuck that means) don't equal conduct. There's a relationship, for sure, but it's indirect, w/other intervening, independent, and interdependent variables.

Also, quit bitching, like a complete fucking retard, about "SOMETHING I NEVER SAID??" while you simultaneously, hypocritically, and apparently unironically do this:

"So differences between racial groups don't exist? Interesting." "Plus according to you then we don’t even need to because everyone does just as well as everyone else! Congratulations, you just ended inequality - by the simple trick of pretending it doesn’t exist! Hooray!!" "According to you, women are just as tall as men and I’m a disgrace to even suggest otherwise."

See, that's YOU doing the very thing you claim that I'M doing. It's projection, for sure - I just haven't figured out if it's only stupidity or if you're also playing with a partial deck.

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RatioInvictus 6 points ago +6 / -0

Your headline lied. They shot him because he chased them with a knife.

Now, delete your bullshit or get the fuck out.

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RatioInvictus 1 point ago +1 / -0

As I noted: you illustrate the Dunning-Kruger effect. I literally spelled out that group averages aren't determinative for individuals. You can verify it yourself in the data. I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that you are personally bringing down the average income for white families. Because you're a fucking idiot. And never mind that income is only loosely correlated to intelligence, let alone conduct.

You're a waste of not only my breath but yours - too fucking stupid to comprehend the difference between averages and characteristics, let alone conduct, of individuals.

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RatioInvictus 0 points ago +1 / -1

Racial groups don't have "life outcomes," you fucking idiot. They're made up of individuals who have "life outcomes." And those "life outcomes" vary widely within that group. And if you're not going to "bother with" anything beyond the first sentence, then don't write seven. At least you're right about one thing (finally): we can't even begin to have a conversation. Because you're a fucking idiot. Nobody pretended there is no "inequality," and you're incomprehension of that fact, let alone my actual point, is like the ultimate illustration of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

I actually neither "appear to," nor think, that "outliers disprove statistics;" what do the statistics tell us? Differences in the mean. Differences in the tails. Broad overlap. Culture, nurture, character, and fortune are far more determinative than race; you might as well be pimping phrenology.

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RatioInvictus 5 points ago +5 / -0

LOL. Same, though 4 (drowning), 4 (electrocution), and 7 (hit and run car vs. bike). My parents finally decided I couldn't be killed (permanently).

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RatioInvictus 8 points ago +8 / -0

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.

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RatioInvictus 1 point ago +2 / -1

Absolutely fucking not. One of the dumbest ideas in history. Build a FREEDOM-centric economy and your tent encompasses everyone willing to live in peace and mutual, reciprocal respect. Make it Christian-centric, and you create factionalism where none is necessary.

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RatioInvictus 0 points ago +1 / -1

Ok, real slow, for the retards: "black people" don't "have different life outcomes to white people." Some black people "have different life outcomes" to (from, you fucking idiot) "some white people." Some black people also have the SAME "life outcomes" as SOME white people. For fuck's sake, read something; it has nothing to do with race. Hunter Biden is an addict, a criminal, a pedophile, etc; is his "outcome" because he's white? Thomas Sowell is a fucking genius - a real American treasure; is it BECAUSE he's black? You can, for sure, identify average IQ distributions by race, but they're obviously not determinate for individuals. Your "white guilt" psycho-analysis (emphasis on the psycho) is just projection and bias, and if you ever asked a question or had an actual discussion, instead of engaging in this stupid bullshit, you'd already know that. Anyways, back to working on election integrity - please consider doing something helpful and useful (race-baiting bullshit ain't it...).

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RatioInvictus 0 points ago +1 / -1

LOL. My "pea brain?" I'm in the 150s, you fucking moron, and "skimming" seems like a charitable description of your abilities.

"All men are created equal" was about John Locke, FROM John Locke's Second Treatise, repeated in the Declaration authored by Jefferson and edited by the committee of five, and about Locke's expressed theory of natural rights. The monarchy:subject dynamic was ONE application of the theory of natural rights, not either its origin or terminus, and of those men, which neither disavowed nor spoke, nor worked against slavery, having concluded it was immoral?

I'm oversimplifying FOR YOU, and I have no "hatred of other men," but I can't fucking stand bullies, frauds, and idiots, which turns out to comprise a not-insignificant portion of the population, present company included.

Again, just to be clear: fuck that flag and anyone who honors it, and especially anyone who engages is panty-pissing apologia about what that flag represented or the flagbearers engaged in war for.

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RatioInvictus 0 points ago +1 / -1

Where to even begin... If I walked into a high school in Watts, and then guessed that somebody in the next room was black, am I clairvoyant? You don't have to tell me that your "guess wasn't based on statistics;" if you want to be helpful, explain why you think an intuition about probability given the obvious demographic likelihood here is irrelevant. Pro-tip: it's not. You don't get a cookie for guessing that I'm white; guess what color Washington's white horse was, you fucking moron.

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RatioInvictus 0 points ago +1 / -1

Your stupidity is a giant time suck. What you just said above, re: "demographic groups" isn't what you said before. And it doesn't cover your stupid assertions. "Characteristics" isn't conduct. And averages mean NOTHING for the individual. Follow the stupid assertions upthread; you're arguing that "black" means something about conduct. It doesn't. So, no: I don't "imagine" that. Do you imagine that the Moon is ball of gas? Do you imagine that the English language was invented by Neanderthals? Do you imagine that your feet are really rocket nozzles? Did I do that right, by asking stupid fucking questions prefaced with "do you imagine?" I DON'T maintain that belief, you fucking moron. I didn't assert it. For fuck's sake, call a friend who can read it to you. Do you have a "white outcome?" Does an Asian have an "Asian outcome?" No, you fucking moron: you have YOUR outcome (and, based on your inability to read, I'd guess that's not the most successful).

Nobody gives a fuck about what you "stand by;" your opinion is poorly supported, poorly expressed, and makes it clear you're a fucking idiot. You're operating under a pseudonym, here, for fuck's sake. Good luck with that.

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RatioInvictus 0 points ago +1 / -1

Nobody said you can't fly it. I said you're an asshole if you do. Isn't an "important part of our freedom in the USA" also freedom of speech? There you go: I just used mine. I don't need a highlighter, and read it, don't read it, care, don't care - I don't give a fuck. But if you embrace that flag and what it stood for, you're a fucking asshole, plain and simple. Some fucking dipwat posted divisive, factional, anachronistic bullshit HERE, on social fucking media, and here is where I'm responding to it. You're offended; fuck your offense. Your feelings are hurt; fuck your feelings. Facts don't care about your fucking feelings. Nothing can change it and you can hate me all you want for pointing it out, but deep down, you know it's true. They were slaveholders defending slaveholding and they got what was coming to them. Lincoln correctly (for the sake of the country) and mercifully (because he was a humanist) chose reconciliation, but both were predicated on the south giving up their bullshit. And yet, the bullshit persists. Your bullshit persists. To the degree you persist in bullshit, you weaken the nation. Congrats - you're THAT asshole.

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RatioInvictus 0 points ago +1 / -1

How about trying it this simpler way: that flag is the flag of an enemy of the U.S. defeated in 1865. Let it go, mouth-breather. It isn't honorable. It doesn't mean something other than support for secessionist states trying to preserve slavery of other human beings. It wasn't your fight then, it isn't your fight now, and it doesn't have fuck all to do with Biden or the current time period. It's like a guy who can't get over somebody else's former girlfriend, which is to say, impotent and pathetic. That flag NEVER represented the U.S. or U.S. values intrinsic to the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution - not then, not now. Pretending that it did is ignorant and immoral, and your retard story-time doesn't change that. How about getting on the fucking defending the U.S. train instead of obsessing over 170-year old bullshit?

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RatioInvictus 0 points ago +1 / -1

Gump, you must be a goddamned genius! I mean, with a U.S. population that's 73% white, and this being a pro-Trump site, who could possibly have guessed that I was white!? Against all odds! I guess that must mean something about your analytic skills! Holy fucking redemption, Batman! You must have been right about everything if you can guess what time the sun comes up!

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RatioInvictus 0 points ago +1 / -1

For fuck's sake; I gave you the link; read Jefferson Davis' OWN statement. Then try to tell me again how you know better than the President of the Fucking Confederate States what his motivation was.

Again, I HAVE read history. Extensively. Not a fucking article by a guy trying to parlay it into a criticism of Trump over tariffs, but real, actual scholars judged on the QUALITY of their work, not the quantity. "He's prolific!" Well, jumping off a cliff is "efficient," but that's not the best metric to asses alternatives to descend.

You appear to be a fucking idiot, repeatedly making claims like "you show so little compassion for people" (seriously; WHO have I talked about other other than people clinging to that fucking flag and the delusion that the civil war was about anything more than it was about slavery, and the south's desire to sustain and propagate it?).

"There wasn't a nation in the world who denounced slavery at the get go until very recently." Uh, wut? In what retard-land is that a coherent fucking sentence? Jefferson tried to put an anti-slavery statement into the Declaration of Independence, almost 90 years before the Civil War. They KNEW it was wrong. I'm not blaming the U.S. for having slavery; it was here before the U.S. was formed. It persisted, world-wide, after the U.S. was formed. But, unlike other countries, it was in conflict with our stated and founding values regarding the rights of man. And it's delusion to suggest otherwise.

And, what EXACTLY is your fucking point, jumping from the 1860s and the south's motivation to "the current administration?" What kind of fucking retard-logic is that? "Duhhhh - Biden, so Rebel Flag!!!!" I mean, seriously: what the fuck?

"People talk about slavery like it was always known to be this unconscionable, unforgivable evil. And yet, the war wasn't fought by Union to annihilate all the slave traders... it was fought to keep the seceding states under one united country. Out of this move have arisen many of the political problems that we are dealing with today."

WHAT PEOPLE, retard? WHAT "PEOPLE" are those? They CERTAINLY knew in 1776! "We hold these truths to be self-evident" is pretty fucking clear! And, yet a-fucking-gain: THE WAR WAS FOUGHT BECAUSE THE SOUTH STARTED THE FUCKING WAR (Lincoln wins, SC legislature passes Ordinance of Secession, SC starts seizing military bases, then MS, FL, AL, GA, and LA join them, fires on Ft. Sumter. Period, end of story.). AND WHY DID THEY START THE FUCKING WAR, FOR FUCK'S SAKE? It's RIGHT FUCKING HERE(http://www.historianstevecampbell.com/uploads/4/4/6/5/44657359/south_carolina_ordinance_of_secession_1860.pdf), you IGNORANT FUCK. Stop telling ME to learn history and read the fucking original sources; see if you can find the fucking word "tax" or "taxes" or "taxation" in it. Good luck. But you'll find a whole BUNCH of "slave," and "slavery" in it. Because THAT is why they went to war. You want it to be more nuanced. You NEED it to be more nuanced. But it ISN'T more nuanced. Wealthy southern landowners and slaveholders controlled the political power in the south and they didn't want to give up slaves. Period. End of fucking story. Sorry: they were assholes. They got a lot of people killed. But again, more to the point, THEY FUCKING LOST. THAT flag is the flag of fucking traitors and the flag of a vanquished foe, it has no business on any staff in this country and if it was on fire, I wouldn't piss on it to put it out.

Your cognitive dissonance is painful, and a waste of my time. Read the original sources. You're ignorant and you're adamant about it.

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RatioInvictus 0 points ago +1 / -1

Thanks for the amateur, self-serving psychiatric assessment, but that part's actually going pretty well, and I'm not angry, at all.

I just can't.fucking.stand.stupidity, and especially not determined stupidity. But I also completely understand people who can't think clearly and don't know what the fuck they're talking about resorting to this kind of affective bullshit when they have nothing substantive to say. So...thanks?

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RatioInvictus 0 points ago +1 / -1

Look at the thread, moron; I don't have time for your half-wittery. I'm not even a little confused. "Women" are shorter than "Men" because of genetics, primarily, but any given woman isn't shorter than any given man for genetics, because their expression is modified by both nutrition and mutation and the range of natural variance. More to the point, you stupid, mouth-breathing motherfucker: HEIGHT IS GENETIC, CONDUCT IS NOT. Let me know if that wasn't clear enough for you; I feel like I'm explaining economics to AOC.

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