All due respect, it seems you just admitted you are a Canadian. Were you just trying to point out since your situation is hopeless, so is America’s?
There is great irony that you are a Canadian disseminating a defeatist attitude on an America first forum, calling me and others who think like me a fool for wanting to remain active, prepare, organize, stop the fraud, and vote —how many others like you are foreigners telling us not to vote? Amazing. And you say subversion is nauseating. And you quote Yuri.
Everyone reading this forum should first ask where all these people with rotten attitudes are from.
Firstly, no one said not to do whatever possible to stop fraud. There are still legal means to fix the vote. And whether or not to support the old or a new party is up in the air right now. There are no details, no public information or support for either path, and fraud has to be first on the table.
Edit: Doesn’t Canada have multiple parties? A citizen of a failed state that splits the vote between multiple parties thinks we should give up and/or vote third party. Peak foreign socialist subversion.
Edit 2: At least you were honest about where you come from. I am amazed at you. Foreign nationals are subverting this forum and being magnified by huge upvote ratios. You are legion.
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Yeah, I mean, I don't really have a better idea, I'm just not really convinced it's going to do anything.
Yet...
This is how things will go. People are already talking about voting people out, forgetting the elections are rigged. And they're talking about ways to get a republican majority, forgetting that even most republicans are part of the uniparty, and a republican majority does nothing.
Even most of the people here don't really believe reality is what it is. Even after it's been made clear as day. And of course there are lots of subverters helping them to forget.
I do not agree with or understand the pessimistic and seemingly one-track thinking that permeates these forums. Are you implying you are a subversive if you are an optimist who hopes for constructive change and justice through nonviolent means, and still believes this is achievable?
Yes, the fraud was covered up, but it hasn’t gone away. What was done is an incalculable, outrageous evil and an attack on all we know and love, an attack on the Constitution and America. Our federal government is the second most corrupt in the world (number two to China). But we still have options that do not escalate. The founders did not jump to shooting British soldiers after many harsh actions and usurpations. We all need to keep cool and collect ourselves, resist and prepare. And we need to try to still work the system, especially locally. There are a handful of options we all should be preparing for. I get the impression some here believe people are too stupid to walk and chew gum at the same time.
The future is uncertain, we are currently disorganized and leaderless, and far too many of us are demoralized. Whatever happens must rebuild ourselves first, then act however we can on every possible option. We need to be positive and helpful to each other, not haters and losers. Pessimism and dissension help nothing.
If we were starving in the desert, or at Valley Forge, or any other similar situation, I would hope to not be with the types of whiners I see here so I wouldn’t have to see them give up and die, and maybe take me down with them in the process.
The President was viciously defrauded and betrayed. I saw and experienced it with everyone here, and I am just as mad about it as you are. Now, we are being attacked by an illegitimate government for supporting the best president in history. I never denied the fraud.
There is no viable option at this time for me and many others, I’m sure, but to try to go through the system, focusing locally, with extreme political and social pressure, and by backing MAGA in any way. To me, the only way a Patriot Party works is with full unabashed endorsement from key individuals, including GEOTUS, and extreme vetting for loyalty to country, principles, and optimism.
The pessimism and defeatism I see everywhere here is deafening and nonconstructive. Many suggest 1776-style revolt — other considerations (including legal) aside, a lack of coordination and resources precludes this option for many, so it is not viable. It is also destructive, rash, and opens the country up to external attack. And Trump said not to.
The future in these times is very fluid. We all have to stick together and stop the pessimism and defeatism, as we are all we have left.
Edit: Also, the potential vote splitting problem with a new party must be addressed, after we ensure vote fraud can never be done again.
Laugh it up, but I don’t see others giving any sort of solution except by giving up, either by suicide (lone wolf or wolf pack attacks) or by dropping out.
Excellent response, and I’m glad to have the discussion. We are in mutual agreement on much of what you said.
I also will not be donating, and I will be trying and supporting all efforts to burn these people down (figuratively), but I still have not seen viable solutions to actually win it back, from anyone, besides taking back the party. These institutions are corrupt, all institutions historically trend into corruption, so what is the point in making a new one instead of reforming the old? Also, you have the problem of vote splitting.
I am open to it, but not convinced that the Patriot Party is viable without first gutting and taking over the GOP — with the end goal of a rebrand and an anti corruption, America first platform. Would like to see how this plays out, and where President Trump takes this.
They make more sense than you do.
Maybe when you realize they don’t even have to hold primaries at all, they can literally make back room deals if they wanted, then you’ll know that everything is just theater and if we want to make a change we have to do it ourselves.
The current machines aren’t built for change, they’re built to enrich politicians by selling us out, and maintaining the status quo.
K, your solution?
They make more sense than me, but you and the others offer nebulous “do something” platitudes. That makes more sense, got it.
“Don’t be mentally irregular, Paulie.”
I’ve talked to fags like that, their answer is about as under whelming as you expected.
Campaign to take low level Republican seats and then squeeze the Republicans out from the bottom up. Which can be summarize to primary them and campaign!
Give me a fucking break, they must be GOP shills.
So you’ve asked people what to do, didn’t like their answer, and like a toddler are running a tantrum whining about it. What is your solution?
You sound like a pinko commie shill, like your buddy u/muricabanana.
Perhaps neither of you are, but if you are truly patriots you need to wake up and find your balls. Pessimism and whining never got anybody anywhere.
there is literally no rules or laws on your side that in any way mandate a fair process, either in primary races or party governance? It’s a private corp and they can do whatever the fuck they want to screw you over
Do you honestly believe this? Have you done the research and local activism to truly determine this? Or are you simply whining to have the excuse to do nothing? Why would anyone want party members to a new party signing up with such a piss poor attitude, anyways?
Perhaps you aren’t actually a patriot at all, just a pinko shill sent to demoralize and spread chaos.
Why is this defeatist attitude consistently upvoted? We have to think positively and constructively. We have to turn the tide before something like this occurs. Besides, some of us do not have the luxury of kicking back, sitting on a stash of guns, explosives, and ammunition.
“I have nothing to hide.” Doesn’t work like that. Agent: “So we see from your IP that you frequent this ‘domestic terrorist site’ and that was probable cause to arrest you, freeze assets and search your home.”
Edit: You are illegal. Your thoughts are illegal. Persona non grata. Whether in truth you are a good law abiding citizen, a communist with his eyes on you does not care.
This is not true and you are spreading misinformation that is harmful to our best peaceful solution to taking back this country. An Article V Convention could not result in destruction of the Bill of Rights unless it was SPECIFICALLY called to do so, BEFORE the Convention met.
This is really poor disinformation that hurts the movement because it scares people from supporting it and is not true. You cannot bait and switch in the Article V process. Please educate yourself before posting false information.
As far as I am remember the process, the terms to decide on are clearly defined first, then voted on at the Convention — essentially preventing what you described. This misconception is a huge roadblock to the process actually occurring because people are afraid of a “runway” Convention, a scenario that is actually not possible. Also Congress has no say.
Edit: Also you MUST define all items to decide on FIRST, it is not possible to “bait” people into multiple items if you go into the Convention with only one item,
The effort to call an Article V Convention of States should not be wasted on one item. Multiple items can and should be on the agenda, including Supreme Court term limits and restrictions. See Mark Levin’s book on this for a good start on what must be there. Also the gold standard should be reaffirmed — it’s already in the Constitution, just not in strong or specific enough terms.
I'm personally done. I'm one of the last to give up hope. If Trump lead us here and left us here, I'm all out of fight. It's not like the last 5 years were easy to begin with.
Loser mentality. Take a step back, think, return to the fight. Giving up now is murder to a good future — if not for you, for your children, grandchildren, nieces, nephews...
Can’t verify without the source, but if this really is from General McInerney, he is an American and the American civilian date format is day, month, year — today. Granted the military is on a 24 hour clock and is global, so I’m not sure how the American military writes dates.
For the Treasury to print fake money (our current fiat currency) it has to be “borrowed” from somewhere (the Fed).
This setup is how our economy is based on promises that mean nothing, and how paying down our debt incurred by making fake money would cause the whole house of cards to crash. The answer to our debt problem is not paying fiat currency with fiat currency (a promise with a promise). Ultimate solution is precious metals but it’s probably going to be an ugly one. Big problem.
Not an expert but as far as I know there is no such thing as “debt free fiat money”. Currency is not money.
Fiat currency is technically unconstitutional - there is a clause starting our money must be gold or silver. This was enforced by the death penalty. The Founders knew the dangers and economically destabilizing nature of fiat currency.
Fiat was last introduced to fund major regional and global wars. It was a way to make fake currency, fast, yet even until the ~1930s our currency was totally backed by gold/silver. No one dared think of printing currency that was inherently worthless (no backing) and American voters at the time knew what had happened to Weimar Germany.
Until the 1970s our currency was backed by some amount of gold. Nixon ended this, a major blunder that has led us into to our current economic/debt situation.
Fair enough. What do you think Americans should do? What are the “non traditional options”? You want to see us fight Civil War 2?
If you know anything about Yuri, you would know he advocated for nonviolent religious revolt through church, embracing free principles, and local political activism.
You claim I have no specifics, yet I have seen nothing specific from people like you, besides violence, which is surely impossible for most Americans due to lack of organization and resources. You seem to think we all have guns, a stash of ammo, buddies to fight beside, and ample supplies for a siege with the Feds.