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Red_Turtle 3 points ago +4 / -1

There was a lot he never said because he didn't want to rock the boat too hard. He has the numbers the same as we do and he didn't pressure people to go back to normal. He kept talking about reopening schools "safely" with masks and things even though they're 100% unnecessary. Just because he tries to speak truth when he speaks, it doesn't mean he speaks the whole truth because he knows it would be rejected and he'd lose any control he had.

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Red_Turtle 5 points ago +5 / -0

I don't know if I can find the link in my saved bookmarks at this point, but it did hit nonMSM news that the pro-lockdown propaganda was traceable back to Chinese accounts on Twitter. That's what influenced so many countries to lock down was Chinese propaganda that eventually a small portion of western countries population started repeating.

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Red_Turtle 27 points ago +27 / -0

That was the original primary treatment for the virus in the beginning before they found out the ventilators were actually killing people. Then the media quietly shifted direction and didn't really mention them again or the harm they did which boosted the death rates during the learning curve. We had to pretend the virus really was that deadly rather than admit we didn't know wtf to do and killed people while we learned. If this crap would have been honest from the start and people ADMITTED it was just a new strain of flu (rather than some turbo alienesque supervirus with new rules), people wouldn't have died from preventable means.

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Red_Turtle 9 points ago +9 / -0

College students were doing that last summer/fall which literally makes perfect sense. Then all the colleges started shutting down and going online because it was "wrong" to do that. It's exactly what SHOULD have been happening this entire time, just get it over with and get natural immunity for those of us least at risk (no comorbidities and under what was it, 80?).

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Red_Turtle 8 points ago +8 / -0

I tried talking about that with my mom about 2 days ago. I was citing CDC info to her. She's in her 70s and I'm early 30s. She called me a conspiracy theorist and said everybody had to stay completely shut down "for the kids."

I can't even put my anger into words at this point.

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Red_Turtle 3 points ago +3 / -0

They're probably terrorized by the teachers and told constantly that if they don't comply, then the school has to shut down again and the kids have to learn from home some more.

Being in school like this sucks, but I guarantee that just being out of the house like this is enough of a carrot to make them think compliance is something to actually participate in.

You don't get this sort of rigid adherence to this sort of thing naturally or through mentally healthy methods. Yes I know it's for the cameras here, but with the people in control in these "schools" I don't doubt they do their best to make SURE this continues off camera too.

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Red_Turtle 5 points ago +5 / -0

Considering the climate and everything that can get a person on a list, OP was probably on a list months ago. Most of us probably are for one reason or another by now.

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Red_Turtle 2 points ago +2 / -0

My mind is blown. Absolutely blown.

They're ADMITTING that they're propaganda and they don't like other channels refusing to push all the same propaganda stories with them?

They're telling the public that they should be able to dictate what people THINK and DO just because? And there are still people that are clueless to what's going on?

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Red_Turtle 3 points ago +3 / -0

Tbh I feel like pointing out the experimental part will only cause those in power to pressure the FDA to give the green light on this vaccine sooner so places can make it mandatory anyway.

There needs to be a law against mandatory vaccination of any vaccine, not only experimental ones and not only China Virus vaccines.

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Red_Turtle 3 points ago +3 / -0

Makes it even easier to make the decision to date along party lines then. If the mRNA vaccine screws up a person's genetic structure in any way, I don't want that crap affecting my future kids.

MAGA men only for me, thanks.

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Red_Turtle 3 points ago +3 / -0

I'm at that point now too.

My mom tried talking to me finally two days ago after canceling me for close to a year. Towards the end she goes off on me for calling it the "China Virus" and tries to lecture me on how "hateful" it is. I said it came from China, I'm not going to pretend it didn't, and that's what it was called in the beginning alongside Wuhan Virus. I'm not going to change it. She got super upset and basically went silent, then chose to change the subject to something to do with a coworker she hates that won't follow the China Virus restrictions.

I'm not bowing to their crap. Any of it.

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Red_Turtle 2 points ago +2 / -0

I'm making mental note of that decency law point because that's an argument I hear from maskers all the time. Thank you for that breakdown of that part. I didn't know the shirt part was specifically due to sexual interest rather than just somebody's opinion on what "decent" is. This seems to be common since maskers have extended that to "it's indecent to have your face exposed" as though it's the same as somebody's genitals. Shoes are obvious at least.

I THINK part of the reason why some businesses and colleges are refusing to reopen is because they think they can be held liable for people getting sick (even though people made the choice to go out in the first place) or they're afraid of people trying to anyway. If there isn't already, we need a law stating establishments that don't deal in things like foodstuffs can't be held liable for people getting sick from any illness and just future-proof it.

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Red_Turtle 1 point ago +1 / -0

We wouldn't be so far behind now IF WE HADN'T LOCKED DOWN THE COUNTRY FOR A YEAR AND COUNTING (my state is still limited).

Just a thought. Anyway.

I've been called a conspiracy theorist lately, so maybe it is just a conspiracy that an economy does better when it's allowed to function.

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Red_Turtle 15 points ago +15 / -0

My mom is mentally ill. She was raped in high school, gave birth to a boy, and put him up for adoption. She got married asap after school and had another kid in an attempt to replace the one she lost. It was a girl. Eventually she divorced and got married to my dad. Had me (also girl) and then my brother. They divorced when my brother was 4 months old (I was 4 years). She sterilized herself shortly after the divorce because "mission accomplished" basically.

My mom spent most of her time trying to influence me away from girly things and my brother could do no wrong. I was always a bit of a tomboy admittedly (I loved playing Sega and watching the original run of Power Rangers) and still am, but she pushed it past that. "Oh you want to buy THAT? Why? It's pink, ew. That's for girly girls. You don't want that." Things like that. I wasn't allowed to experiment with makeup. I wasn't allowed to do anything with my hair (straightening, styling, etc). I wasn't allowed to date (first date happened in college as a result, which isn't good). Long list of things. I'm still very tomboyish, but I'm trying to learn to embrace femininity now. It's hard as hell to tell the difference between being female in certain traits and this popular thot culture.

I was born in 1988 so this transitioning crap wasn't around when I was growing up. My mom has an adult friend who "is trans" and has gone through the ENTIRE process of this in his 60s to pretend to be a woman. This includes the surgery for the gaping gash they pretend is a vagina. My mom is 100% supportive. If this shit was around when I was a kid, my mother would have forced me into transition so she could have "another boy" to raise. Sometimes the parents are the cause of this, not just powerless to stop it.

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Red_Turtle 11 points ago +11 / -0

Tbh I was still in the considering myself a Democrat phase when the 2016 election was going on and even before THEN I felt political belief needed protection. The election just started showing me examples of why it needed to happen.

The fact the Covington High School IMMEDIATELY reacted AGAINST that poor kid Sandmann before knowing what really happened was terrible and alarmed me. Responsible adults with integrity can't be reactionary like that. During the Floyd riots last summer some girl who had applied to a Catholic college and was accepted had made a FB post about all lives matter or something 100% benign. The college found out and publicly RETRACTED their acceptance they had given her because they didn't support her beliefs and they shamed her.

That last one REALLY shook me. I was raised as an atheist lefty and I always had a certain view of Catholics and the right. Seeing a Catholic college reject somebody because they weren't repeating the "correct" political opinions really showed me how bad the situation is and I don't think there's any way to fix it now. This cancer has infiltrated everything in society if the Catholics in these sorts of positions aren't even standing against it.

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Red_Turtle 9 points ago +9 / -0

Another possible angle, but idk how much a lawyer could translate this into legalese.

Tbh we have ample evidence masks don't do anything positive. We also have ample evidence that they harm the wearer the way we're told to wear them (as in non-surgical settings as untrained individuals). As there are no benefits to myself and the only concern masks ever had was with protecting other people's health (which doesn't work anyway), the only effect masks have is negative towards the wearer and neutral towards others.

It's against my religious beliefs to self-harm. Every time I see somebody with a mask on, I just have a mental image of that person being at home using a razorblade to cut themselves. I haven't worn a mask and I never will.

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Red_Turtle 2 points ago +2 / -0

"These fuckers don't know how awake a lot of people are right now."

The other free speech site I frequent talks about this issue occasionally actually. The theory, and it's one I favor, is that those in control DO know how awake people are and how angry we are, they also don't want it spreading. THAT'S why they're dropping the veil as much as they are and making blatant moves like these gun control laws and the blatantly unconstitutional changes to voting. They're TRYING to stir things up to get a reaction from the people that are awake while still fostering things like cancel culture to ensure information about their activities doesn't spread. My own mother canceled me last year and two days ago finally talked to me again. I was citing CDC numbers and information to her and she called me a "conspiracy theorist." As long as those sorts of walls are maintained, the backlash to tyrannical rule will be limited. It's what they want so they still stand a chance.

Trump was a wild card that was never supposed to happen (Hillary was supposed to win but their rigging wasn't done right or enough) and he enabled those who were awake a voice and platform to share their views with those of us who weren't awake yet (myself included). This threw a monkey wrench into the plans of those behind the curtain. Now it's a race to see how much they can change the system in their favor before the inevitable backlash comes ("voting", guns, immigration, etc). It's better for them if they aren't the ones that get physical first, especially since they can claim they need help from outside countries to put down the "terrorists" (Americans who love our country and value the Constitution).

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Red_Turtle 2 points ago +2 / -0

I feel like that should be illegal as fuck. People really need to start fighting this hard or they'll get away with mandatory vaccinations across the board.

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Red_Turtle 3 points ago +3 / -0

Some places have outright banned those though because they finally acknowledged that the shields do literally nothing. Can just claim an allergy to the plastic used in the headband.

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Red_Turtle 7 points ago +7 / -0

Pretty sure costco was the first business (at least big box business) in the country that required masks before any mandate was even dictated.

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Red_Turtle 2 points ago +2 / -0

She lost my support when I found out she believes in mandatory vaccinations even pre covid. I don't trust her to not force that garbage on kids even if her state is (or did?) moving to ban mask mandates or businesses from requiring them.

I don't care how proven safe a vaccine or any treatment is, government has zero business forcing it on people for ANY reason.

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Red_Turtle 3 points ago +3 / -0

This is also part of why so many employers are trying to force it and threaten to fire their employees. If the employer is a covidian, they're not going to tolerate reasonable people making their own decisions.

Some businesses aren't bad with this and keep their noses in their business, but wait for schools and colleges/universities to start forcing it as a condition of signing up for in-person class. I fully expect those of us with religious objections to the vaccine to be banned from normal classes and forced to still sign up for online. This way it's not technically religious discrimination because we're still allowed to take classes, just not traditional ones. Mark my words, they'll find some way to force it without making it obvious they're breaking the law.

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Red_Turtle 5 points ago +5 / -0

DARE program told me people would be trying to sell me drugs left, right, and center.

I went back to college at 30 during fall 2018 and in my first semester somebody tried to sell me adderal during the first round of exams. He took out a pill wrapped in like plastic wrap and I thought he was bragging because he went to the big university nearby while I was a student at a small community college that he tutored at.

During the second month of lockdown I was watching the reboot of Degrassi and they had an episode about one kid selling his adderall to his friend and THEN it hit me that the guy from my school wasn't just bragging about how he had some.

Fast forward to last week when I had a friend visit my place and I shared the story and she had a good laugh at my stupidity and pointed out I was probably wrong about thinking he was a small time drug dealer that sold pot or shrooms or whatever too. She said he was probably selling his own script during exams because they cost a lot during those times.

I had missed that possibility even though that had been the litteral story-line in the show. I got to feel stupid a second time for that, and then a third when I realized it made perfect sense as he was an econ tutor. Making money off opportunities like that is sorta what we do.

I was insulted though because I only had 3 classes that semester and it was at a small community college. I felt like he was calling me stupid and saying I couldn't handle the load without drugs.

DARE lied so hard that I couldn't even recognize an attempt at a drug deal when I was the potential "customer." And probably a mix of me not being street-smart and only book-smart if I'm honest.

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Red_Turtle 1 point ago +1 / -0

There's another free speech site I frequent and it's a pretty even split on political parties. One dude already got into an argument with me and he was defending her sending covid cases into the nursing homes.

He brought up what we all warned would happen at the beginning of this. His excuse for claiming Whitmer isn't guilty is because the CDC RECOMMENDED covid patients be sent into the nursing homes. These five governors only have to point out the CDC said to do something and suddenly it muddies the waters of who is responsible. All the governors have to do is use the BS line "I was just following orders/recommendations! It's not my fault if 45 other governors realized it was a bad idea, I HAD to do it! Don't you see?"

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Red_Turtle 2 points ago +2 / -0

I was a Democrat for most of my life until 2018 (30 years old). It's mentally exhausting even pretending to follow their crap just to find holes in their reasoning. It poisoned my life so much I just feel physically drained when I think about their thought processes and stances now. Even this new meme of "Super Straight" just makes my bones hurt.

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