Because it’s a honeypot?
If one believes there is massive globalist plot to exterminate conservatives and install some form of socialism/fascism, then one should run quickly away from all of these new sites hoovering up our data.
It’s the natural evolution of everything we’ve seen on the internet for 30 years now: Idealist with the drive and vision creates some tech “for the people”. Then, by necessity and greed, they get dollar signs in their eyes and realize our data is worth money.
Any real internet organizing should be done over TOR. Keep a dummy account of FB for the memes or red pills or whatever. But all of these “conservative” social sites are not going to reach beyond the converts, and we shouldn’t actually be doing real organizing on them.
Nearly the same thing happened for the ultimately unsuccessful Walker recall in WI, their rejection rate, was either 27 or 33%, I was following it closely because I was working on something else in the state.
And I realize that CA should have more stringent election protection measure, but this isn’t an election and you can’t compare it to that. Every scribbled signature next to a hand written address has to be manually deciphered and checked against the voter file.
I did one training on one proposition in CA, so I’m much less familiar with the ins and outs of the process in that state, but in others, it’s incredibly tedious for everyone involved and there are so many ways to make a mistake depending on how they are validated.
I wouldn’t be shocked if there is a case we can make that the rejection rate is suspiciously high, like, Kanye for President-level suspiciously high. He had the same issue of hiring the wrong firms and them doing shoddy work.
I’d also like to see both the percentage rejected and raw number of signatures gathered by county. Urban areas, with a more mobile population and many more non-resident visitors tend to certify at slightly lower rates, but if Alameda is certifying at 20% and Orange or Modesto at 90%, then something shady happened.
No. I’m talking about recall and initiative petitions I have worked on in 4 different states in the last decade.
This isn’t an election, this is just asking voters if they think there should be an election.
We’ve all been talking about this for weeks and some people on this site have mentioned signing it more than once. It’s what you’re supposed to ask for as a staff person or volunteer.
These signature sheets have exactly zero security in their chain of custody. If I’m driving home from gathering signatures and I spill coffee on my sheets, I will still turn them in, but if the voters info is no longer legible, they will be rejected.
There is also no ID or signature verification in this process (at least in WI and FL) the county clerk just tries to read a signature and if they can’t, it’s tossed out. Some more diligent ones might see, “D(scribble) T(scribble) address Mar-a-lago” and decipher that is is Donald Trump, others will just say, “I can’t tell, I’ll toss it.”
There is plenty of room for foul play, I can tell you stories of stacks of petitions going “missing” after have some new volunteers we didn’t background check in the office. Or lazy paid canvassers that make up names and addresses because they are paid by the raw signature (in good operations we validate them from at least the first few shifts of a newbie). But it’s difficult the threshold is, appropriately, high for recalling a duly elected official, and this is only the first step in a lengthy process.
My beef isn’t that I think nothing shady happened, my beef is it is incomparable to the signature verification that (should be) happening during elections.
But it’s not votes. In order to have an election, the recall movement has to gather completely unverified signatures from the public, usually in public areas. Heck, as far as we knew Dems were signing them with intentionally fake names to make the organizers think they had more sigs than they actually did.
Then there is all of the errors that happen in getting signatures to the right places. If I accidentally turn in 100 signatures to San Bernardino instead of San Clemente, all 100 of those go straight in the trash and count for the denominator.
And yes, look at every recall petition and ballot measure in state history, they are all likely north of 20% rejection rate. The organizers know this going in.
It’s two separate issues and conflating them makes us look like we don’t know what is going on.
I’m not saying it’s not a bit odd, that is a really high rejection rate, but it’s closer to 80% higher than expected, not a few hundred percent Higher.
If the sticky said, “CA governor recall petition had 45% rejection rate. Prop XYZ related to ‘green energy’ had a 20% rejection rate, what gives?” Then this would be interesting, but alone, we can’t compare these numbers.
This is idiotically misleading.
It wasn’t an election, it was a recall initiative, no ballots were rejected. Heck, there were people on this very website who said, “I signed even though I moved away. I hope it counts.”
This is a high, but not unprecedented, percentage to be rejected.
This is a bad sticky headline because it is purposely misleading. It’s important info, and certifications should be inspected/reviewed, but these two things shouldn’t be compared, it makes us look as dumb as Reddit when it’s stickied with this title.
This isn’t a vote, this is a signature gathering drive. Many people signed this petition at a grocery store or street corner who signed on the wrong piece of paper (signatures are separated by region and must be turned in to the correct place), signed with a different address than they are registered at (usually accidentally), signed more than once (vols collecting signatures asked them to sign again to make sure it was counted) and there are a million other things that could go wrong.
45% is a high rejection rate, which points to, usually, poor training of staff and volunteers collecting signatures, but it’s not unheard of. I’ve participated in initiative petition and recall petitions in a number of states and a normal rejection rate is 20-25%.
To be clear: I’m not saying fraud didn’t happen, and I’m not saying valid signatures weren’t rejected. However, this is apples and oranges.
Why is this stickied?
Well... I know this isn’t a popular opinion here, but Cruz is a mealy-mouthed, feckless dick who certainly bears blame for many things.
but not this... the fuck does a federal senator have to do with state-level energy policy?
Coal plants have been shutting down across the country because after we figured out horizontal drilling a hydraulic fracturing, gas got really fucking cheap. Add that to the fact that coal is really dirty energy and the soot and particulates are as deadly as they are disgusting, and it’s a recipe for coal going offline.
3 coal plants have shut down in GA in the last decade, 5 in PA and 3 in MA, to give you random sampling of different states with different political dynamics.
We should be relegating coal to peak demand times, and the most burdensome regulations on coal plants imposed federally by the Obama administration were rejected before they could be implemented by GEOTUS (specifically the mercury emissions standards).
Coal’s decline is a story of market forces, innovation and business decisions more than anything.
Generally, I understand your point. And I agree that government policy to ensure consistent energy supply (be that direct subsidies, infrastructure improvements or whatever) is critical. But it’s tricky in practice, which it sounds like you are very well aware of.
I guess I shouldn’t have said, “end all energy subsidies.” But rather, stop making public policy decisions that benefit the providers (the extractors, generators and transmission infrastructure) at the expense of private citizens.
How many people would have reconsidered their home purchase if they knew how unreliable energy delivery was?
We all want to be small government/leave me alone conservatives (I think) but, at some point we do need minimal government to help us coordinate and efficiently manage resources so we aren’t all trying to determine if we have fossil resources in our backyards or if we have to look towards wind, solar, geothermal, etc.
Abbott, Perry, GWB, Richardson and so on sold out the people of Texas to the people making money off of the extraction, generation and transmission of energy. That was a dereliction of duty on their part.
Texas intentionally protected their energy producers and suppliers at the expense of residents. It was a criminal dereliction of duty and Abbots asinine “it’s the wind mills!” Is a cop out.
Their building code (and energy infrastructure) was written to make rich people richer, not ensure that people would be safe in their own homes and on their own roads.
This is a perfect example of the failure of government to do the bare minimum to promote the safety of Americans because a few campaign donors wanted to make sure they could buy their third vacation home.
It snowed just is much in Texas in 2011, and 1993, and 1989.
It’s completely reasonable to point out that Texas politicians, in effort to curry favor with the energy oligarchs (many Dems or crypto Dems) did not support regulatory efforts to build sound infrastructure and housing.
This is truly 3rd world shit, and if the Republican Party (and the Dems, but Texas has been one-Party for a quarter century) had been responsible representatives of the people, this wouldn’t have been near as bad.
Yes! Eliminate energy subsidies. This isn’t a problem of wind and solar, this is a problem of a protectionist government kowtowing to the demands of the energy industry. Adjacent states that aren’t singularly focused on enriching energy tycoons are having not near the Problems Texas is.
As America-First patriots we should all support any economically feasible energy generation projects that will contribute to American prosperity, not suck up to oil and gas companies looking to make a quick buck.
As a staunchly pro-labor conservative, I can tell you this wouldn’t have happened if our energy and housing infrastructure had been built by hard working Americans who knew that they would earn an honest wage for an honest days work. Instead we decided to pander to a few Texas Hundred+ millionaires who just wanted to make money off of selling us a necessity.
Tell me which mass shootings were staged and which were real.
Newtown?
Las Vegas?
Parkland?
Virginia Tech?
El Paso?
They were all real and were personal tragedies for hundreds of Americans. I know they are real because I have just a modicum of common sense and understand that logistically, faking a mass casualty event in the 21st century in the United States would be near impossible.
I haven’t. I’m almost adjacent to her district, but not quite. So I have never met her nor has she ever appeared on a ballot I voted on. But many others have asked her and she can’t just say, “yes, a mass shooting happened. If we had competent, ARMED security and personnel in schools it would have been far less horrific, but lefties wouldn’t allow it.
We win the ideological battles 99% of the time when we stick to the truth why does she insist on lying about things?
What do you mean, “focus my energy on.” This was a one off comment about a rotten Congress critter that isn’t from NW GA, is a Q-tard and can’t get her shit together to figure out how to actually be a functional lawmaker. It doesn’t take much energy to write a single comment about how a congressperson sucks.
Here... Jim McGovern is a socialist scumbag working to manipulate the rules of the House so Nancy Pelosi can wield tyrannical levels of power for the rest of her (un)natural life. He should be allowed to be an American citizen, let alone a congressman.
That took me twenty seconds to write. Pick another random congressperson and I’ll do the same.
So you didn’t actually say anything positive about her, you just said that Dems suck too. I know that. You’re just saying, “she’s better than Dems.” I could say the same about Mitch McConnell, it is true, he’s better than Dems.
This isn’t about any “high road” this is about purging our movement of lying, carpetbagging morons.
“Are we really that heinous to people that doesn’t (sic) deserve it.”
The idiotic running joke that Michelle Obama is a man and Barack is a gay Kenyan is just as stupid and disrespectful as the shit people are saying about Rush. Who we all have conveniently forgotten was adamant GEOTUS wasn’t a “real conservative” and was cozying up to GWB when he was in power.
Limbaugh was an excellent salesman and marketer, and his show was, mostly, incredible but he was just as devoid of values as most of the RINOS we criticize here every day. If Jeb had won, Rush would have been all in on supporting his agenda. His main goal was to be proximate to power, if he couldn’t have that power himself. And his complete lack of empathy for those suffering from substance use disorders was embarrassing.
His legacy is long and complicated, and the hagiography we are all engaging in is completely unwarranted.
Fuck MTG... I’m sorry, but denying the reality of events that actually happened is too much for me. She’s a carpet bagger who doesn’t represent people in NW GA and she shouldn’t be in Congress.
Edit: fuck a downvote, anyone wanna point out where I’m wrong? Marjorie Taylor Greene is the rotten part of our movement, and until you can get her to say; “yes Parkland happened... a bunch of kids are dead” then you can also fuck right off.
Guantanamo should be shut down. We don’t need the infrastructure of globalist, perpetually-warring psychopaths.
Ostensibly, it was never supposed to become a permanent solutions to “enemy combatants” but we now have people, some maybe only guilty of hating George Bush approaching 20 years of incarceration without any meaningful legal process.
An America-first policy, properly executed, wouldn’t need foreign-based infrastructure to support global war.
You should be embarrassed. If what we are saying is true, that the current occupant of the White House got in as a result of widespread voter fraud, then this site should be for sharing important/critical information.
But... if we are just the happy warriors on the outs for a minute in a functioning democracy, then this is great.
This guy really isn’t saying much more than, “I have a lot of fancy degrees and I think these results look fishy.” And it’s hard to tell what “proof” he has actually looked at because of the way this doc has been edited. Not to mention it is two months old and that isn’t clearly stated anywhere on the image.
This weak tea isn’t gonna cut it. If he thinks there are 100k more votes than voters who voted, that means 100k people are listed as votes who never did. We need to find those people and we can start get the ball rolling.
Perhaps. But I am pretty confident that my set up allows me to post in such a way that a dedicated Alphabet agency would have to do at least a bit more work to find me than many others here, and my comment history makes me not exactly a high priority target amongst this userbase, so I’m not too worried, and I didn’t give any identifying information to make the account. Not that I want anyone here to get a knock on the door (well... maybe a few particularly Q-addled members) but I don’t have to have Snowden-level INFOSEC, I just have to have better INFOSEC than most of you.