More comments than upvotes, haha, not sure what to make of that.

I'm not endorsing a 3rd party yet, but it's a conversation worth having. I'm still more inclined to reform the R part first.

I agree totally with this. I think the Patriot party would be more successful if it started of as party-within-a-party: like the Justice Democrats or the Tea Party. Once elected, politicians can openly declare membership in a separate party, but could go back and forth the way Bernie and Ron Paul have.

A third party, from scratch, would just split the right and give even more power to the left.

I wonder if any North Korean citizens know about this whole "election" loophole to get rid of a dictator? Lil Kim better watch out.

I agree about trying to appeal to honest Dems, that's why I think the above three issues should be at the core - those all have potentially broad appeal, and neither party supports them.

Thanks. Didn't know they were already up and running with a website.

I do think a good strategy might be to run in the primary and then, if our candidate doesn't win, go on to run in the general. Would need to look at feasibility re: election law on something like that, though.

I'm not saying "hold your nose" I'm saying primary the motherfuckers. Split the vote so dems win is exactly what we don't want.

I think this is actually the way to go. All of these movements for statehood will ultimately fail if they want to create a totally new state - it throws off the House, Senate, EC too much. But we can redraw state lines to get, e.g. rural Oregon or Nevada or California out from under the thumb of some ultra-lefty city and give them more self-determination. Another thing to push would be some kind of swap if the Dems try to go all in on DC and/or Puerto Rico statehood. Give us a new, conservative carve out from one of these blue states in exchange for their new states.

Oregon is not a conservative state. Both of its current Senators, four of its five Representatives, and its Governor are all Dems. This is just a carve out for the rural people in Oregon to align themselves with a state that is politically compatible.

If you don't think we can primary Mitch, why do you think we can beat him in a general election?

I agree completely with the "not one more cent" attitude. All I am saying is, instead of running someone in the general as a Patriot Party, run them in the primary. If you can't win a primary, you certainly won't win a general against the same person.

We have a huge momentum right now, we have to be smart about this and not blow our chance.

And we will lose badly.

Hahaha, Fox is +9, CNN is -5

We passed through the portal into Bizarro World

Lose everything forever, that'll show 'em!

3 houses, but only one jacket. Democratic Socialism.

OP: These Jewish people are Jewish

(You): feckin nazi!

1. Run as a third party
2. Split coservative vote
3. Gift office to dems
4. ???
5. Profit

That's some real 5d chess

Trump should have pardoned them

You agree with Trump's last two weeks in office?

Please just stop with the third party bullshit. Take over the Republicans, or split the vote and be out of power for at least a decade of infighting.

He and Powell, both. They completely burned their reputations to the ground, and for what? What kind of career will either of them have after this? That's why I was inclined to consider them more credible than they turned out to be.

There were a lot of good, verifiable, non-Q things going on, though, that made it reasonable to think something would happen:

1. The EO on elections, combined with Trump's constant tweeting about fraud before, during, and after the election
2. Trump making personnel changes, issuing orders, etc. after Nov. 4th that would only make sense if he was going to be around for another term
3. A number of high profile people who **had **credibility at the time (Wood, Powell, Flynn, Guliani, Pompeo, etc.) saying they had the goods

So you didn't have to actually buy into the JFK Jr. is still alive, the ballots have nuclear watermarks, there was a raid on a server in Germany, etc ... to think that things were going to go differently than they did.

Trying to start a third party will be an absolute disaster. I'm really hoping this is just talk because everyone is angry right now and people will come back to their senses.

Sorry, but this is a bad idea. It's just a guarantee of Dem control. We all hate the Republican party right now, but the best thing to do is to take it over.