RIP Antonin Scalia, it's thanks to this man that I'm in total love with the US constitution so much so I consider it a sacred text.
JFK was not saint, but by God was he about to make the american average joe prosperous as hell.
hehehe, go into the rabbit the rabbit hole buddy. sadly youtube has banned all the videos on the subject in the past 2 years it's become impossible to read about it. however, you can start here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-M0CfATkIY&list=PLliKyYEHHXuwadURx-23Ftph6MdswhdiC
this video has many hypothesis that are correct but also many that are misguided but in good will.
the uber reference about the JFK assassination is one Jim Marrs, may he rest in peace, he died only a year before Trump declassified most assassination documents (still most important bits are redacted tough). you can also watch the JFK movie by Oliver Stone, it has elements of truth but not everything. Also the first prosecutor that managed to get some of the truth out was one Jim Garrison who sadly passed away in 1992. he has explained in great details how there must have been a conspiracy and that the warren commission report that investigated the assassination was a complete farce.
The vocabulary about the assassination is important too. help yourself with a schematic of the dealey plaza in dallas where the assassination occured. the school book depository building where lee harvey oswald was allegedly. The grassy knoll, the Zapruder film, elm street, umbrella man, and so on...
I am myself trying to work on a documentary on that matter but I'm quite poor sadly.
JFK wasn't a commie, if anything his tax policies are the same as Trump. as for who killed JFK, if you think it was Lee Harvey Oswald you should think again. And Lee Harvey Oswald wasn't a commie, he was Defense Intelligence and even contributed in the invasion of the bay of pigs on Cuba. however if you go as far as to speculate that Lyndon Baines Johnson was the one behind the assassination, then yeah, he was a democrat.
why is your post deleted ?! I just opened it quick
correction 6000 years. it started with Abraham.
There is an increasing amount of scientific evidence of intelligent design and of the existence of one God who created the universe. so please don't be like the 'Deboooooooonked' crowd or the 'where's the evidence' crowd. read Stephen Meyer's book on that. the evidence is everywhere for those willing to se.
face them. otherwise this will be just another twitter when you can cancel anyone. these are not the ways of a place that wants to be for free speech.
they are our test on this planet.
Of course he wants to do that? How would he convince you to buy his synthetic beef like he wants to.
The reasons are simple. these billionaire megalomaniacs no longer see any more ways to differentiate them from people on the scale of privilege. And as they can't go any further up, they now seek to put everyone else down. They now force people into their homes, force them to not even dream about flying to their holiday in a remote place, force them to breathe less, they even have them beg for stimmy money, now they will force them to eat only synthetic meat while they keep the privilege of eating organic real beef and eating God-given sorts of food.
I hope you understand.
the FBI is doing the CCP bidding with CCP methods.
let's examine the options:
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you are squeezed into fighting hard. you fight hard. you prevail because you are the one on the good side of God. Big win!
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you are squeezed into fighting hard. you fight hard. tough luck you die eventhough you are the one on the good side of God. God welcomes you in the after life and abducts you to live eternally in heaven. Big win!
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you are squeezed and slaughtered because you are on the good side of God. God welcomes you as martyr and you live eternally in heaven. Big win!
all paths lead to a Big win as long as you stay true to God.
isn't this act of 'charity' simply enabling this invasion and giving it legitimacy?
Stephen Meyers account on the mathematical impossibility of darwinism and the intelligent design hypothesis is brilliant and is the answer against any atheist!
not just the US bro, not just the US. and sadly it's far too late to do anything
savage
how is it a rumor?
The only instance where lying has been condoned is in the case of war. where intelligence and counter intelligence is used. and you quoted correctly: war is deceit. as the only correct quote amongst all these.
As of calling God deceiver. you again chose to take but an excerpt, unveiling your intellectual dishonesty for all to see:
8:30 "And [remember, O Muhammad], when those who disbelieved plotted against you to restrain you or kill you or evict you [from Makkah]. But they deceive, and Allah deceives [them]. And Allah is the best of deceivers."
Again, the context is key. these were the pagans I told you about in previous responses, who plotted to kill and deceive the prophet a few of the believers with him. the powerless muslims then left everything to God. And here God comforts them in sayin that although they will plot and scheme, God will deceive them and their schemes, and that in that God is the best deceiver. Is it an invitation for muslims to deceive or to lie? Absolutely not.
It is sad to see you go through these length to keep propagating lies. Again, I will talk to you the human, the person, "is this not the truth?" question yourself. everything is laid bare.
I have responding to all this where you misquote and outright lie on precisely those and similar ones in a previous response. your dishonesty is clear as day for posterity.
Continuation: 9:5 "And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful."
Read it please. tell me where do you see that it call on killing christians or jews. The verse is very context specific, it talks about polytheists. Which one? the pagans I spoke to you about before who were in the arabian peninsula. What sacred months does the vers speak aobut here? don't you think it has to have further explanation ?
9:1-6 "[This is a declaration of] disassociation, from Allah and His Messenger, to those with whom you had made a treaty among the polytheists. So travel freely, [O disbelievers], throughout the land [during] four months but know that you cannot cause failure to Allah and that Allah will disgrace the disbelievers. And [it is] an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah is disassociated from the disbelievers, and [so is] His Messenger. So if you repent, that is best for you; but if you turn away - then know that you will not cause failure to Allah . And give tidings to those who disbelieve of a painful punishment. Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you; so complete for them their treaty until their term [has ended]. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him]. And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know."
Have a good read. the chapter 9 is a very very context specific chapter, that has been revealed in a time of war in the arabian peninsula between the pagans and the muslims. pagans have started hostilities killing the muslim minority and chasing them out of their homes. What ensued are years of war in which muslims have been defending themselves. This chapter 9 has come after a treaty of truce, which the pagans have soon gone against. So in this chapter the Lord gives the muslims time before to respond issuting this statement of disassociation and warning the pagans before hand that after the 4 months, hostilities will start again, because they have not respected the treaties of truce that were agreed before. Even in this context, God explains that if the pagans cease hostilities and repent, then God is forgiving and muslims will cease to attack. Furthermore, even during the war and the fighting, in verse 9:6 God gives clear instructions that in case of pagan individuals that seek protection and safe passage they shall be granted that by the muslims and so it was.
Please remind me again how is this applicable to christians or jews, how is this applicable in 2021 and how is this applicable outside the arabian penninsula?!
You say there are 30 verses. I know the quran and honestly these 2:193, 8:38-39, 9:29, 9:5 are the only ones you could twist to make it look like you are right. I don't know of any other verse that preaches killing jews or christians. if you have them please quote them in number and in text so that we can show the world what the quran says. if it is so atrocious like you pretend, we really have to denounce it. but so far. you've just showed you are very fake news. and that all the verses either target pagan polytheists in the arabian peninsula who were known to bury their baby girls alive just because they were not boys and who practiced human sacrifice and other atrocites and any jew or christian who ally themselves with them.
Are you allied with baby-killing pagans?
You cite 9:73 as though it means non-muslims go to hell. well if you consider youself a hypocrite, then yes, the verse is for you:
"O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination."
Don't you agree that those who do not believe in God the Almighty and who are hypocrites will go to hell?
Again, this is quoted from chapter 9 which is very very specific to the era and the people it targets in a situation of war in the arabic peninsula at the time of the first muslims where they were a minority and fought against violently by monstrous pagans and some criminal that proclaimed themselves to be christians or jews but who do not represent all the christians or all the jews. Do you identify yourself as an ally of baby-killing pagans and who would kill a muslim just because they are a muslim? if so, then the verse talk about you. if not then why do you say that the quran targets every christian as going to hell?
66:9-11 "O Prophet, strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination. Allah presents an example of those who disbelieved: the wife of Noah and the wife of Lot. They were under two of Our righteous servants but betrayed them, so those prophets did not avail them from Allah at all, and it was said, "Enter the Fire with those who enter." And Allah presents an example of those who believed: the wife of Pharaoh, when she said, "My Lord, build for me near You a house in Paradise and save me from Pharaoh and his deeds and save me from the wrongdoing people. "
Have a good read. It's amazing how every verse you quote completey dispells any misconception as who the quran is targeting. the very verses you quote completely explain who the disbelievers are and who the believers are. Read the example put forth here. Disbeliever in the quran doesn't mean christian or jew. and as example of disbeliever, God gives the example of the wife of Noah, and of the wife of Lot, who allegedly where the closest to Noah and Lot respectively, and who were in name following God but were in fact disbelievers. and God also gives the example of a believer even before islam began and without even being called muslim, the wife of the pharaoh who chased Moses, she doesn't know God, she never read the Quran, never heard of such thing as islam yet the quran considers her to be a believer.
Then tell me how do you see the Quran making a distinction by name between muslim v. non-muslim? you're very fake news.
40:70-72 "Those who deny the Book and that with which We sent Our messengers - they are going to know, When the shackles are around their necks and the chains; they will be dragged In boiling water; then in the Fire they will be filled [with flame]."
The Book means the Old Testament and the Evangile.
So you quote a verse from the quran to tell me that those who deny the Old Testament and the Evangile will go to hell. Ok. Either you don't believe in the Old Testament and the Evangile, or that you are accusing the quran of things it never stated. So either you are a bad christian or a liar. you're very fake news.
22:19-22 "These are two adversaries who have disputed over their Lord. But those who disbelieved will have cut out for them garments of fire. Poured upon their heads will be scalding water By which is melted that within their bellies and [their] skins. And for [striking] them are maces of iron. Every time they want to get out of Hellfire from anguish, they will be returned to it, and [it will be said], "Taste the punishment of the Burning Fire!"
Again, you quote a verse from the quran that describes Hell. what does it say about who goes to hell? does it specify christians or jews? it specifies clearly disbelievers. and to know who the quran means by disbelievers see examples in 66:10 as I quoted above : "Allah presents an example of those who disbelieved: the wife of Noah and the wife of Lot. They were under two of Our righteous servants but betrayed them, so those prophets did not avail them from Allah at all, and it was said, "Enter the Fire with those who enter.""
in fact if you were honest enough to quote just a few verses before to give more context : 22:17 "Indeed, those who have believed and those who were Jews and the Sabeans and the Christians and the Magians and those who associated with Allah - Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection. Indeed Allah is, over all things, Witness."
God acknowledges that Christians and Jews and Sabeans and people of God will all be judged in the Day of Resurrection. Meaning they will be judged by their deeds. There will be those who will go to hell (the wifes of Noah and Lot as an example) and there will be those who will go to heaven (the wife of pharaoh as an example). How is this muslim v. non-muslim dichotomy? why didn't you quote verse 22:17. Damn you are worse than a CNN reporter covering Trump! you're very fake news!
500 verses?! Show them please ! I need to see those ! because if they just as clumsy as the ones you put forwards now it will be really useful! I'd love to see the other 500 verses where the quran say those who deny the Old Testament and the Evangile will go to hell like 40:70-72. please show them!
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you claim that 3:73 calls christians and jews deceitful?
3:73 "And do not trust except those who follow your religion." Say, "Indeed, the [true] guidance is the guidance of Allah . [Do you fear] lest someone be given [knowledge] like you were given or that they would [thereby] argue with you before your Lord?" Say, "Indeed, [all] bounty is in the hand of Allah - He grants it to whom He wills. And Allah is all-Encompassing and Wise."
where do you see the word deceitful? or that the quran calls the christians deceitful ? why do you lie ?
Don't you follow the faith of Abraham, Isaac, Joseph, Moses, David, Solomon, Jacob and Jesus? I will strictly follow this verse as to not argue further... even though it is not supposed to be targeting you, with all the lying and not quoting the text you've been doing, you fit the description put forward by the quran brilliantly.
46:29-35 "And [mention, O Muhammad], when We directed to you a few of the jinn, listening to the Qur'an. And when they attended it, they said, "Listen quietly." And when it was concluded, they went back to their people as warners. They said, "O our people, indeed we have heard a [recited] Book revealed after Moses confirming what was before it which guides to the truth and to a straight path. O our people, respond to the Messenger of Allah and believe in him; Allah will forgive for you your sins and protect you from a painful punishment. But he who does not respond to the Caller of Allah will not cause failure [to Him] upon earth, and he will not have besides Him any protectors. Those are in manifest error." Do they not see that Allah , who created the heavens and earth and did not fail in their creation, is able to give life to the dead? Yes. Indeed, He is over all things competent. And the Day those who disbelieved are exposed to the Fire [it will be said], "Is this not the truth?" They will say, "Yes, by our Lord." He will say, "Then taste the punishment because you used to disbelieve." So be patient, [O Muhammad], as were those of determination among the messengers and do not be impatient for them. It will be - on the Day they see that which they are promised - as though they had not remained [in the world] except an hour of a day. [This is] notification. And will [any] be destroyed except the defiantly disobedient people?"
Where do you see that the quran in here calls christians or jew worse than demons? read it again and tell me.
You are lying, son, lying to your teeth, and eerily enough this part of the quran talks to you personally and asks you after all the quotes that you have twisted and put forward here that every time showed you were calling the quran out for something it never did. "Is this not the truth?" meta-think again what you are doing. as of the argument, at this point the quran itself is meta enough to answer you on this without me adding anything.
7:175-176 "And recite to them, [O Muhammad], the news of him to whom we gave [knowledge of] Our signs, but he detached himself from them; so Satan pursued him, and he became of the deviators. And if We had willed, we could have elevated him thereby, but he adhered [instead] to the earth and followed his own desire. So his example is like that of the dog: if you chase him, he pants, or if you leave him, he [still] pants. That is the example of the people who denied Our signs. So relate the stories that perhaps they will give thought."
have a good read. I truly don't need to add further. if you see yourself as a christian, as worshipping Satan and following satan, then sure this verse talks about you.
5:59 - 60 "Say, "O People of the Scripture, do you resent us except [for the fact] that we have believed in Allah and what was revealed to us and what was revealed before and because most of you are defiantly disobedient?" Say, "Shall I inform you of [what is] worse than that as penalty from Allah ? [It is that of] those whom Allah has cursed and with whom He became angry and made of them apes and pigs and slaves of Taghut. Those are worse in position and further astray from the sound way."
I find it quite eerie that you quote verses from the quran, and what I see is that it doesn't call christians and jews any names except a fringe of them that are defiantly disobediant to God and who are hypocrites at heart. if you feel targeted by this on a meta level. I'm sorry for you, son.
2:65 "And you had already known about those who transgressed among you concerning the sabbath, and We said to them, "Be apes, despised.""
So the quran in fact is more jewish than the jews themselves. The quran speaks here about jews who didn't observe the Sabbath as it is due and that God was angry with them. How is that the quran calls all jews as such? How is it again that the quran allows muslims to humiliate all jews? Do you want God to be happy with the jews who transgress the sabbath? ask the nearest Rabbi!
7:163-166 "And ask them about the town that was by the sea - when they transgressed in [the matter of] the sabbath - when their fish came to them openly on their sabbath day, and the day they had no sabbath they did not come to them. Thus did We give them trial because they were defiantly disobedient. And when a community among them said, "Why do you advise [or warn] a people whom Allah is [about] to destroy or to punish with a severe punishment?" they [the advisors] said, "To be absolved before your Lord and perhaps they may fear Him." And when they forgot that by which they had been reminded, We saved those who had forbidden evil and seized those who wronged, with a wretched punishment, because they were defiantly disobeying. So when they were insolent about that which they had been forbidden, We said to them, "Be apes, despised."
This is a famous story of jews who didn't obvserve the Sabbath, and god was very angry with them not because they didn't obverve the Sabbath but because they were insolent and defiantly disobedient about it. Again, against your nearest Rabbi what he thinks about not observing the Sabbath. How do you feel targeted? and how does this make the quran humiliate all the jews of give carte blanche to do so? if anything it helps jews call out those who don't observe the Sabbath as an example.
Then now, you jump to Sahihs. are they quran? no. what are they? you quote them as if they were theological or religious text. The only book in islam is the quran that's the only theology. anything else only engages their authors. In fact, those who wrote the Sahih went against the wishes of Muhammad and wrote them anyway, compiling thousands and thousands of idioms and saying, that were 'allegedly' and 'reportedly' spoken by Muhammad the man in his daily life and not as revelations from God. I will not discuss them as again they are not withing the perview of what I said. i.e. that the quran doesn't humiliate or calls to killing or raping jew or christians. (or anyone for that matter actually) and so far I have explained everyone of your quotes as should be. I can only say that what you did is 'Fake News' and I have proved it. You're very fake news in the voice of the best president in History of the USA.
2:190-193 "Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors. And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers. And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors."
Fitna means "chaos" or "unrest"
Truly you don't deserve any response further from me. Where does it say in this verse that muslims should fight the christians? it clearly says to muslims they they should only fight if they are fought against and that this must not be transgressed! Please read and quote the whole text not just the numbers. You're very fake news. But I guess thanks for the opportunity you give me to show the world what the verses truly mean and what kind of lies it is to put numbers without text.
8:38-39 "Say to those who have disbelieved [that] if they cease, what has previously occurred will be forgiven for them. But if they return [to hostility] - then the precedent of the former [rebellious] peoples has already taken place. And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah . And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do."
You quote a verse, that explains that God is accepting peace if the disbelievers cease their hostilities against the muslims and to fight back if the disbelievers attack again. How is this related to christians (people who believe in God) or jews (people who believe in God) and any people who do not attack us? Are we not allowed to defend ourselves if we are being killed?
9:29 "Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."
Still in the context of the time, where muslims were attacked by pagans, this verse asks to fight those who do not believe in God, the Day of Judgement, and those who do not follow (mostly) the ten commandments. It also specifies the way of dealing with christians and jews, who though identify as such, do not believe in God and do not follow the 10 commandments amongst other important laws. If they wish to continue not following the rules (not steal/not kill/ not lie etc) , they have to pay a Penalty fee/Fine (a form of tax) which is called jizyah. Although the word fight is used here, it is a loose translation, as the meaning behind the verse is policing/law enforcement. pretty much like when a sherif chases outlaws and makes them pay a fine if they steal. And if they fight back and do not want to answer for common justice well... you see what a sherif does to a non-complying outlaw... the sherif fights. Again, I don't know how you conclude that it is calling for arms against all christians or all jews if they follow the law.
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Continuation : These pagans were also known to particularly call angels Gabriel, Mikhael and so on with earthly female names, and that is a perversion, wouldn't you say ? pretty much like the perversion today about genders of children. And the verse specifically targets those kinds of pagans. How is this related to christians? I don't know, maybe you see things that I don't.
The Koran incessantly preaches our inferiority, calling us diseased (2:10), perverse (2:99), stupid (2:171), unclean (9:28), ignorant (6:111), cursed (4:52), diseased (5:52), Satan's helpers (4:76), deceitful (3:73), and worse than demons (46:29-35). 7:176 compares us to "panting dogs" in our idiocy and worthlessness. 5:60 says apes and pigs are Jews that Allah turned into animals (see also 7:166 and 2:65), and Mohammed believed rats were also "mutated Jews" (Sahih Bukhari 54:524; Sahih Muslim 7135-36).
Again, quoting numbers but never the text and worse, quoting unrelated chapters and I have explained how wrong that is with the story allegory further above.
2:10 "In their hearts is disease, so Allah has increased their disease; and for them is a painful punishment because they [habitually] used to lie."
again, I see why you quoted the number but not the text. Where do you see that this quote talks about the christians or the jews? This verse targets hypocrites. Proof? let's read the full context :
2:8-10 "And of the people are some who say, "We believe in Allah and the Last Day," but they are not believers.8 They [think to] deceive Allah and those who believe, but they deceive not except themselves and perceive [it] not. 9 In their hearts is disease, so Allah has increased their disease; and for them is a painful punishment because they [habitually] used to lie. 10"
Do you consider yourself a hypocrite? one that claims they believe in God and in their hearts don't believe? if so, then yes this verse is for you. Aren't these people who lie about belief really sick in their hearts? Again, where in here doesn't use the word "muslim" v. "non-muslim" or "muslim" v. "christian" ? So no, the quran doesn't call christians diseased.
2:99 "And We have certainly revealed to you verses [which are] clear proofs, and no one would deny them except the defiantly disobedient."
Where do you see the word perverse? the text calls whoever still denies the verses that are clearly true as defiantly disobedient to God. Pretty much like you are doing right now. Quoting the numbers and concealing the text knowing full well it most of the time states the opposite of what you say it says! The truth is one and only, if you lie about the quran and the quran in its own text proves to you that you were lying about it, then who should be believed? is it you who clearly lied directly without reasonable doubt, or should I believe the quran who calls you in this context defiantly disobedient? aren't you disobeying the Lord by lying?
2:171 "The example of those who disbelieve is like that of one who shouts at what hears nothing but calls and cries cattle or sheep - deaf, dumb and blind, so they do not understand."
Again, the verse clearly speaks of those who disbelief in God, more specifically the atheists. And the allegory here, though it uses the word "Dumb", when you read it in context (and in adequate translation) deaf, dumb, and blind is an allegory of "hear no evil, speak no evil, see no evil". Dumb here is old way of calling a "mute" person. from Vocabulary.com : "Dumb is the Old English word that means "mute, speechless," and itself came from an even older word dheubh meaning "confusion, stupefaction, dizziness." Today, dumb still means "unable to speak," but it doesn't have anything to do with intelligence. Its other meaning, however, does." This verse speaks of those atheists or pagans who, eventhough you provide all kinds of proof, scientific or not that God exists they would pretend it's debooooooonked. pretty much like what happens today with those to whom you explain that there was fraud in the election, they just pretend they don't hear / speak/ see. So no, the quran doesn't call a person stupid here (dumb meaning mute) let alone calling christians stupid as the verse clearly targets disbelievers.
9:28 "O you who have believed, indeed the polytheists are unclean, so let them not approach al-Masjid al-Haram after this, their [final] year. And if you fear privation, Allah will enrich you from His bounty if He wills. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Wise."
Aren't the pagans unclean? You see them even today. Degenerates who do all sorts of unclean deeds to their bodies. Would you let them around you? Would you let them around your kids? Are they clean to you?
Are christian and jews polytheists? or do they believe in one God the Lord Almighty who created this universe? Again, why do you feel as a christian targeted by this verse? unless you are a pagan disguised as christian in which case I refer you to the hypocrite verse a bit above
6:111 "And even if We had sent down to them the angels [with the message] and the dead spoke to them [of it] and We gathered together every [created] thing in front of them, they would not believe unless Allah should will. But most of them, [of that], are ignorant."
Don't you believe in God, as a christian or jew? if so, do you count yourself of the category that even if God sent them his own Angels wouldn't believe? if so this verse is for you. But you are a believer, i.e. you don't need God to send any Angels. As a christian you already believe the scriptures with no need to witness any Angels yourself. Doesn't that mean you already know very well your religion? Wouldn't you call someone opposite to this an ignorant? meaning they do not want to know the scripture, they don't want to read about it, they don't want to learn about God. wouldn't you call such people ignorant? but again, a verse quoted mid sentence is quite dishonest. let's put some context here
6:105-111 "And thus do We diversify the verses so the disbelievers will say, "You have studied," and so We may make the Qur'an clear for a people who know. Follow, [O Muhammad], what has been revealed to you from your Lord - there is no deity except Him - and turn away from those who associate others with Allah . But if Allah had willed, they would not have associated. And We have not appointed you over them as a guardian, nor are you a manager over them. And do not insult those they invoke other than Allah , lest they insult Allah in enmity without knowledge. Thus We have made pleasing to every community their deeds. Then to their Lord is their return, and He will inform them about what they used to do. And they swear by Allah their strongest oaths that if a sign came to them, they would surely believe in it. Say, "The signs are only with Allah ." And what will make you perceive that even if a sign came, they would not believe. And We will turn away their hearts and their eyes just as they refused to believe in it the first time. And We will leave them in their transgression, wandering blindly. And even if We had sent down to them the angels [with the message] and the dead spoke to them [of it] and We gathered together every [created] thing in front of them, they would not believe unless Allah should will. But most of them, [of that], are ignorant."
those who associate others with Allah : polytheists/ pagans
**Where in this context, do you see that the quran calls any christian an ignorant?! Worse! this context alone completely annihilate your whole point. The quran actually states that muhammad, and by extension muslims and indeed the quran itself, doesn't insult any who worship other than God. so where does it state again that christians or jews are ignorant or that like you liked to quote me, that it's ok to humiliate or rape or insult those who believe otherwise?! **
4:52 "Those are the ones whom Allah has cursed; and he whom Allah curses - never will you find for him a helper."
who are Those? why do you feel targeted by it? How do you quote this alone with no context?
4:51-52 "Have you not seen those who were given a portion of the Scripture, who believe in superstition and false objects of worship and say about the disbelievers, "These are better guided than the believers as to the way"? Those are the ones whom Allah has cursed; and he whom Allah curses - never will you find for him a helper."
why do you feel targeted by this? Does it call all christians like this? or is it a specific kind of people? You read and tell me cause I don't even need to add more. Does it look ok to you? those who took bits of the Bible, and then use it for superstition and false objects of worship other than God and who misguide people right and left, and worse, who consider pagans better guided than true believers?! Aren't they lying on God? Doesn't God curse these kinds of peoples? unless you consider yourself amongst them, and frankly with the way you've been lying on what the quran said... I'm begining to think you truly fit the description. a very narrowed description.
5:52 "So you see those in whose hearts is disease hastening into [association with] them, saying, "We are afraid a misfortune may strike us." But perhaps Allah will bring conquest or a decision from Him, and they will become, over what they have been concealing within themselves, regretful."
Again, where do you see that quran calls christians diseased? here the same people in the previous explanation are pointed specifically: the superstitious and who believe fake items of worship, that again, in the context of 5:51 explained before, in the arabian peninsula where some jews and christians of that place and that time have been misguiding pagans and helping them in their paganism and their superstition. Are those to you good christians and jews? or do they fit the hypocritical category that even christians and jews should be against? are they or they not diseased? you be the judge.
4:76 "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah , and those who disbelieve fight in the cause of Taghut. So fight against the allies of Satan. Indeed, the plot of Satan has ever been weak."
Why do you feel christians or jews are targeted by this verse, which again is truncated of all meaning without context? Aren't pagans who fight for a stone statue they worship allies of Satan so to speak? Let's put this agian in context
4:74 - 76 "So let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. And he who fights in the cause of Allah and is killed or achieves victory - We will bestow upon him a great reward. And what is [the matter] with you that you fight not in the cause of Allah and [for] the oppressed among men, women, and children who say, "Our Lord, take us out of this city of oppressive people and appoint for us from Yourself a protector and appoint for us from Yourself a helper?" Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah , and those who disbelieve fight in the cause of Taghut. So fight against the allies of Satan. Indeed, the plot of Satan has ever been weak."
Again the context matters. This series of verses in particular describes the time in islam's inception when they were but a minority in the city of mecca, and have been vehemently and violent slaughtered and raped by the pagan majority at the time. These muslims at the time wanted only to live free and to worship God freely. And they never fought until God gave them the right to defend themselves. as you can see here, they have asked God for help to get out of that city and it is then that God gave muslims the right to defend themselves and to fight their way out against the pagans, and against those who helped them do monstrous deeds. Again, please explain how do you see any wording implying that you, as a christian or jew is an ally of Satan? unless you are indeed an ally of Satan by lying and concealing truth and putting yourself in the ranks of the hypocrites (2/X)...
There is so much wrong in every single sentence that you have put forward that I don't even know where to begin. But I will try nonetheless, out of good will.
Nowhere in the Koran are Muslims told to love non-Muslims. There is no concept of a universal brotherhood or the Golden Rule in Islam. In fact, the Koran says Muslims the best of people (3:110) and we non-Muslims are literally the worst of all creatures (88:5 and 98:6).
How are we supposed to love those who lie, and those who kill and those who mock the Lord and his teachings? Do you? It's strange, you want God to tell you: "Go and love all those who hate me and who do the opposite of My teachings" ? You want us to love those who make human sacrifice and worship false gods, pagans? That's how I respond to that, eventhough I'm not a scholar.
'muslim' doesn't refer to muslims that believe in islam. muslim in arabic is a generic word that include all the righteous who follow the word of God and His teachings. Those who believe in God and don't lie, and who are not miscreant aren't they the best indeed? Also, putting it (3:110) doesn't count as quoting it. And it's funny cause if you did it would exactly refute your point :
3:110 "You are the best ‘Ummah ever raised for mankind. You bid the Fair and forbid the Unfair, and you believe in Allah. If the people of the Book had believed, it would have been better for them. Among them, there are believers, while most of them are sinners."
People of the Book are Jews and Christians, the quran here acknowledges that people of the book that are real believers are amongst the best, if they bid the fair and forbid the unfair. It's funny that you say the quran says that muslims are the best while the quran itself defines "You bid the Fair and forbid the Unfair" as the best people without ever using the word "muslim".
Again, the number 88:5 without quoting the text itself is misleading and if I was of bad will I would say that you do it on purpose to look as if you are truthful while you're not. I will quote it for you:
88:5 "They will be given drink from a boiling spring."
This verse only describes what happens to those who go to hell. Who are they? The not rightenous who didn't believe in god and who will be humbled in the day of Judgement. I read the whole chapter and there is no place where it is written non-Muslim or as opposed to Muslim.
Again, the very verse you refer to actually completely refutes your whole point however you refuse to quote it as is! I wonder why you kee it concealed!
98:6 "Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures."
It clearly states that amongst the people of the scripture (jews and christians) those who disbelieve in God and who do not believe in the One God, will have to go to hell and that they are the worst. Did it say that ALL christian and ALL jews are the worst? where? the very verse you quote clearly makes a big distinction and recognises that there are many righteous Jews and many righteous Christians. And that some of them, those who are not righteous are the worse.
I find it funny that the quran alone defeats your own ideas I don't need to do any extra thinking.
Muslims are taught a supremacy doctrine called jahiliyya, which means any culture without Islam - that's ours - is "ignorant and stupid." Muslims are forbidden from befriending non-Muslims (3:118, 5:51, 5:80) - even non-Muslim family members (99:23) - unless it's to deceive us (3:28). They're taught that we only hate, harm, and corrupt Muslims (5:51, 3:28, 3:118). We are forever their enemy (4:101) and they are to shun us (53:29).
Supremacy doctrine called Jahiliyya??! Bullshit if I ever seen any. Jahiliya in arabic refers to the era of paganism that reigned in the arabian peninsula. That era was characterised with tribalism, sacrifice of humans, particularly baby girls that were buried alive and complete disregard to the path of righteousness. Islam came particularly to stop that. Yes, we are superior to those who buried their babies alive. Would you want me to say otherwise? But then again you use Jahiliya to describe Christians? You did that, not the quran. the quran refers to christians as people of the book or people of scripture as seen above. Again, how do you use that to conclude that muslims are told they are superior to christians?!
Again, you quote the quran using the numbers but don't quote the text, yet the text itself refutes your point:
3:118 "O you who have believed, do not take as intimates those other than yourselves, for they will not spare you [any] ruin. They wish you would have hardship. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater. We have certainly made clear to you the signs, if you will use reason."
The quran is talking to those who belive in God. and includes you. Do you want the quran to tell me to go befriend pagans and satanists who sacrifice humans and kill babies? Unless, you are not a true believer and not a truth seeker and that you talk to me with hatred. Cause I see clearly you are not in here to befriend me. again, the word "muslim" as opposed to christian is nowhere to be found in the quote.
5:51 "O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people."
Again, you quote this with the number but not with the text. The words are really important! you speak about "befriending"! In this quote, the quran uses exactly the word "ally" (and that is but a mere translation, the original word is even more specific, where it adds the meaning of "authority" to alliance, as in do not seek authority and alliance from jew or christians). Allies as a word point to you that this verse is a war context specific verse. In effect this verse was written specifically for those who were in war at the time of Muhammad, against the pagans of the arabian penninsula. The logical thing to do at the time would have been to seek christians and jews help against the pagans (as they both are monotheistic abrahamic religions that are close to islam) but the quran specifies no to seek their alliance and authority in that war and rightly so, because the local christians and jews in that area and that time were largely benefitting from the existance of these pagans as they have never seeked to bring them to the word of God. Would you as a Christian or as a Jew, take the jews and christians of that era and of that place as allies if you know they have been profiteering and benefitting and letting the pagans do as they please?
5:80 "You see many of them becoming allies of those who disbelieved. How wretched is that which they have put forth for themselves in that Allah has become angry with them, and in the punishment they will abide eternally."
Again you quote the number and conceal the text, why? The text clearly specifies in this context allying yourself with those who disbelieved! not about befriending but about the context of war. In a war, yourself, as a christian or jew, would you ally yourself with pagans against the will of God?
I looked for verse 99:23 in the quran it doesn't exist, chapter 99 has only 8 verses. where does it talk about non muslim family members? I read the quran many times and it never mentions non muslims except on the matter of marriage where muslims should not marry pagans (for obvious reasons), they can marry people of the book and people of the scriptures but with careful consideration and finally a verse I find it particularly important, about muhammad and his uncle who was a pagan and who was dying. Muhammad was trying to get him to belive in the One God on his death bed:
28:56 "Indeed, [O Muhammad], you do not guide whom you like, but Allah guides whom He wills. And He is most knowing of the [rightly] guided."
But then again you quote a non existent verse, and then you connect it from a verse from another chapter and therefore from another context, 99:23 supposedly with 3:28, 99 is far off from 3 at least through numbers let alone through what happens in that chapter. it's like telling me quoting a novel: "my mother slapped me" - 0:28 "So I shot the animal!" - 156:23 while the story in chapter 0 is about me lying to the neighbours and mum giving me a good bit of education, and chapter 156 is about me when as an adult I indulged in a hunting adventure. But what's worse is that you don't even quote the whole text. You won't fool me cause I know the quran. so why are you doing it? why are you concealing important text? who are you trying to conceal it from?
3:28 "Let not believers take disbelievers as allies rather than believers. And whoever [of you] does that has nothing with Allah , except when taking precaution against them in prudence. And Allah warns you of Himself, and to Allah is the [final] destination."
Again- you quote this to talk about non muslim family member and you say that the Quran says to deceive them! where do you see deception in here?! I only see your deception attempt. Worse! again the quote from the quran itself refutes your very idea. In here the quran talks to believers as opposed to disbelivers and that includes anyone who believes in God! where do you see the word "muslim" in this quote?! And the quran even gives you leeway to ally yourself with disbelievers if you take precautions! Where does it say anything of what you accuse the quran of?!
5:51, 3:28 and 3:118 has already been quoted see above. And you claim that in these the quran says that jews and christians only hate harm and corrupt? In fact it says almost the opposite if not saying something totally unrelated! If you are christian or jew and quoting this stuff in so twisted a fashion, maybe you are yourself what you accuse falsely the quran of calling the christians and jews... That is wrong. it means you are really really twisted and miscreant.
Again, you quote without the text 4:101 to say that the quran tells us that christians are always the enemy, and then you quote a totally unrelated chapter 53:29. Here is 4:101
4:101 "And when you travel throughout the land, there is no blame upon you for shortening the prayer, [especially] if you fear that those who disbelieve may disrupt [or attack] you. Indeed, the disbelievers are ever to you a clear enemy."
The word disbeliever here is used again to specify pagans, and those who are harming people while they pray. Aren't pagans and more so pagans that try to kill you while you are praying to be considered clear enemies? you tell me.
53:29 "So turn away from whoever turns his back on Our message and desires not except the worldly life."
53:29, no "muslim" vs non-muslim words are used. in fact it tells me to stop interacting with you as you are completely turning your back on the message, misquoting it, and concealing it (turning your back on it in some way) But to be more specific, and in context, if you read 53:27-29 correctly you understand who the Lord means in this chapter specifically:
53:27-29 "Indeed, those who do not believe in the Hereafter name the angels female names, 27 And they have thereof no knowledge. They follow not except assumption, and indeed, assumption avails not against the truth at all. 28 So turn away from whoever turns his back on Our message and desires not except the worldly life. 29"
Do christians believe in the Hereafter ? where God judges us on our deeds? I know so. Do Jews believe in the Hereafter? I know so. How does this verse apply to muslims vs non-muslims ? I don't know! You tell me and I let whomever read this understand. The succession of verses here specifically talks about pagans of the jahiliyya who lived in the arabian peninsula, who never believed in the after life(1/?)
4:24 "And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them [in marriage] with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise."
where does it say raping is ok? where does it specifically say to rape women in front of their husbands? what twisted mind do you have to twist the words to that extent? Worse. This whole chapter 4 is speficying the laws for muslim men and who they should marry and should not marry as muslim women. Worse. In context this is how it looks:
4:22-24 "And do not marry those [women] whom your fathers married, except what has already occurred. Indeed, it was an immorality and hateful [to Allah ] and was evil as a way. **Prohibited **to you [for marriage] are your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father's sisters, your mother's sisters, your brother's daughters, your sister's daughters, your [milk] mothers who nursed you, your sisters through nursing, your wives' mothers, and your step-daughters under your guardianship [born] of your wives unto whom you have gone in. But if you have not gone in unto them, there is no sin upon you. And [also prohibited are] the wives of your sons who are from your [own] loins, and that you take [in marriage] two sisters simultaneously, except for what has already occurred. Indeed, Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful. And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them [in marriage] with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise."
You are worse than CNN covering Trump you are disgusting! Very fake news indeed. Please show me where it tells muslims to rape non muslim women and in front of their husband as you claim! What a liar! I shouldn't even be discussing anything with you!
8:69 "So eat what you have taken of war booty [as being] lawful and good, and fear Allah . Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful."
How is this suggesting rape? muslims are being told to eat during war, as a means of procurement, including from what they can find on the defeated opponent. How is this related to rape?
23:1-6: "Certainly will the believers have succeeded : They who are during their prayer humbly submissive And they who turn away from ill speech And they who are observant of zakah And they who guard their private parts Except from their wives or those their right hands possess, for indeed, they will not be blamed -"
How is this related to any rape? God praises the believers, who pray, and who avoid blasphemy and who observe zakah (giving money to the poor) and who are in total and complete chastity except from their wives.
you're really monstrously lying and misquoting! Fake news!
33:50 "O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful."
This is a very very specific verse that is very specific to the prophet Muhammad alone, in the only context in which he was. how is this encouraging any muslim to do the same when the quran says that this is specific to Muhammad alone and not anyone else! How is this related to rape again? where even the prophet is told to first marry any woman if he wishes to have intercourse with. how does this encourage rape? if anything it encourages seeking consent and marriage and not any kind of intercourse outside wedlock.
As to why the prophet was allowed all this ? the Quran says that God has good reasons that we cannot discuss. I'm no scholar, but my honest opinion is that the prophet is nothing more than a teaching example that God uses to show us what he means. in effect, the prophet only had the revelations for 30 years. would those 30 years be enough to show all the possible example and all the possible real situations to everyone who follow him? In my opinion, it takes one person a whole lifetime to understand what his marriage meant. it would take several lifetimes to clearly details what marriage and couple life is all about. Maybe God wanted to show everything through the prophet, chiefly, the impossibility of dealing righteously with several wives. In that sense maybe the lesson are to put the prophet through all those ordeals so that we don't have to. but you are very far from proving any point such that islam tells muslims to rape non muslims in front of their husbands... so far off.. totally fake news.
Is abu dawud the quran ? no. is Sahih muslim the quran ? no. out of scope and has nothing to do with the subject at hand especially that those books only engage their authors, not the quran, not God. However, I took it upon myself to read them and they all go back to Quran 4:24 that I have explained above. more specifically, these are cases of war in which the pagan husband that has been slain in battle and who left behind a wife. In those situation, in the arabian peninsula, in the desert and amongst the pagans, such women would either be killed, or would die of thirst and starvation. the muslims didn't know what to do with them. In some cases some muslims wanted to marry them and take care of them (as they were almost ashamed for killing their husbands in battle). So it was allowed for them to marry them exceptionnally (even though they are not muslims or christians or jews), after these women complete a waiting period of mourning for their husbands (of several months) and if these women accept (in general they accepted cause they had nowhere else to go and the desert was pretty harsh). Again, how is this related to rape or to raping women in front of their husbands, you tell me. You're fake news to a nauseating extent.
For the remainder of your post, you suddenly quote the quran with both number and text, cause if you did so before it would have clearly outlined your contradiction but here it clearly is ok as it can be employed to complete your distortion. After all I have explained I don't think I need to explain anything from those verses. Truth is clear to whom wants to read. I have cleared my duty to clarify even though the quran doesn't need my help clearly.
you are the one laughable dude. see the responses on your other walls of text.
Being slain in battle as the quran clearly states has nothing to do with suicide. the act of killing one's self is cowardly and prohibited. the only case where a martyr is accepted in God's heaven is if they are killed in lawful battle. killed by the enemy not in suicide. the wording used is clear.
To anyone who reads these quotes they can refer to my other reponses they clearly state what war was meant to be fought and in what context. perhaps you were counting on my to be completly TLDR on every one of your copy pasted walls of texts... all I did is quote the quran itself. and nowhere in the quran it is stated to resolve to suicide, and to kill the innocent. the context is clear as day. it is only in context of battle on a battleground and away from civilians, and moreover only in self defense. furthermore it clearly specifies targets as disbelivers. not christians or jews. but specific disbelievers and hypocrites that are defined in the examples of the wife of noah and the wife of lot as opposed to the wife of pharaoh as a believer's example.
And again, you are a big liar. Sahih muslim is 43 volumes. where is this sahih muslim 55:93 ? where is volume 55 what is its name. Add this to the many times you claimed a quote in the quran from a chapter that had only 8 verses and you quoted a verse 23!! And you claim to be on a morally high ground and that any else than what you state is laughable. Sorry to tell you, I'm proud to have a pretense against your lying! you are lying to your teeth.
Also you claim that in Sahih Muslim 19:4450 that killing a man who was protecting his community give a muslim a double reward. You sir are a liar. aren't you ashamed?
I will tell you the story that is in sahih muslim 19:4450. Still in the context of war in the arabian penninsula in the time of the prophet, there was a tribe Khaibar that was a tribe of miscreants who killed and persecuted unarmed muslims who were travelling on their roads. One day, an early muslim called Amir was on his way in the vicinity of the domain of Khaibar, when suddenly the chief of Khaibar, came out and announced himself and proceeded to brandishing his sword to terrorise Amir who was traveling there. Amir who was a believer and didn't take any of that shit, so he decided to confront him in a lawful duel. they exchanged blows, but Amir accidently got his own sword cutting his arm artery open causing him to bleed to death.
And here I would like to attract your attention to the very point I'm making that suicide is considered cowardly and unlawful in islam. continuing the story, the believers told the prophet that they were sad, cause the deed of Amir will count as nil due to the fact it is a suicide. Here you have a prime example completely annihilating the point you make: that islam encourages suicide and makes it a good way to fight to fight. Here clearly, as Amir was thought to have killed himself and therefore his action is nullified. And so is the rule in any engagement. Any suicide completely nullifies the good deeds of a warrior. So please don't lie and say that islam glorifies suicide.
The story continues where the prophets makes an exception for Amir, as the suicide was completely unintentional and where Amir died accidently, even though he tried to engage the miscreant in a lawful 1 on 1 duel. In this case only Muhammad considered his attempt a commendable one and considered it to have double reward if the Lord accepts it.
It's funny how all the quotes you use, on further examination state actually the opposite of the point you're trying to make. You're very very fake news. your attempts here are as sorry as cnn's attempts on Trump!
deserves a sticky!