- Trump never grifted as Caesar, that is something his own supporters applied to him.
- That woman chose to be there. It was her choice. Yes Trump asked her to be there but there's nothing wrong with going to the capital for a protest nor is there anything wrong with Trump asking that of someone.
- She was shot by someone. It is that person's fault she was shot, not hers or Trump's
- If anything, this is the fault of the democrats were stealing the election. If they didn't commit fraud, none of this would have happened.
- Trump did fail at taking on Silicon Valley but truthfully, while they were not liked, it wasn't so obvious to anyone just how oppressive and corrupt they were until last year. Trump made some attacks on them but wasn't really in a position to do anything. He did make actually a decent effort in some of his negotiations.
- Most of America has turned into a bunch of simps. Trump has been betrayed everywhere by anyone.
I hate to be the one to tell you this but Biden is going to grow the stock market even more than Trump.
The stock market represents the biggest corporations in the USA. These corporations benefit from an empowered China, though the American people do not. Also, corporate taxes are a bit of a joke because these large corporations are often able to completely bypass them with complex tax strategies, ESPECIALLY the big corporations with foreign operations.
Also, Biden wants to take on significantly more debt than Trump would have to allocate toward pet projects which will benefit the major corps. Debt essentially under this scenario will simply act as a wealth transfer from average Americans to the big corporations.
Trump has been good to corporations because Trump has been good to America. Biden is actually going to be better for big corps but not for America.
You cannot win this war in a democracy because a democracy is simply rule by the majority. You can be as right as you want but if there's more wrong people, you lose. It should be clear to you now that facts, truth, evidence, etc... doesn't truly matter, it's about dominance/submission to their culture and belief/value system.
You need to win on demographics. You need to start having 8 kids. Women need to stop focusing so much on their economic output and realize that their true value is in mothering children. Home-school your kids and teach them good morals. Do not let them get indoctrinated through social media, academia and hollywood. Explain to them the war that is going on.
We can win this if we get our demographics in order. They broke us with demographics, we can beat them with demographics if we understand that's where the fight truly is and focus on it. This is a generational war.
Actually, those years were when conservatives were entirely oppressed and forced into submission to the point where they had no voice so it appeared like everything was fine and dandy to the oppressors (liberals). Trump finally gave a voice to the oppressed. Now they want to oppress conservatives again.
Yeah, I think people will grow. Pay attention to the topics. People are now discussing the demographic war. Having more children, home-schooling, moving to small towns, etc... People are slowly realizing this is a generational culture war and are promoting what needs to be done to win.
Others are calling for violence, which is needed, however, I don't think we're prepared for that. After a century of feminizing men into thinking violence is bad, there isn't much fight. Perhaps, that changes but at least people are more open to discussing it.
I think the QLarpers and Helicopter ride people are going to be away and won't ever make a prominent comeback because people will remember. This event is strengthening conservatives through their growth and they are evolving.
Don't expect sudden changes overnight though but people are getting smarter. I think people are finally realizing the seriousness of what's going on and how these isn't just a game of meme wars to collect liberal tears, it's literally two cultures having a war and one culture may be destroyed completely.
I'm Canadian btw. I thought I should mention that since you're European and here we are having a discussion as if we're Americans haha...
I understand there's much more to life than left or right but generally speaking for discussions the categories work enough to get the point across for what people mean if you're willing to interpret it fairly.
The reason I mention the talking points is because every person on the left I discuss with says exactly the same things you say, using the same words in almost the exact same order. My father is anti-Trump and says exactly what you say down to the very same word I almost thought you plagiarized him. That to me indicates it's not organic but rather manufactured but this is a minor point not worth expanding on at this point in the discussion.
You believe in objective morality then if you believe all our senses of morality are the same? I happen to believe in objective morality but not because I think morality is objective but rather because I think communities function better when everyone has relatively similar perceptions of morality. I suspect though that we're going to differ significantly I imagine on what we think is right and wrong. You will simply justify that you are right in everything and that where we disagree I am wrong because of xyz reason to justify your position of morality. That is the problem. You're convinced you're right and I'm convinced I'm right. I will find a way to justify my position as ready as yours and I won't budge no matter what you say because I've lived according to different sets of morality because and I do find certain sets simply do not work for me even if those are ultimately good and that is the truth and I am ultimately an evil person which we determine as objectively true, I am forced to do and be evil then because good doesn't actually work for me. Thus debating morality becomes pointless in trying to determine who is right and who is wrong.
Quick Summary:
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I do not believe in egalitarianism. I believe people are in fact not equal and we should embrace this. Society should look to empower the strong not oppress the strong in order to unjustly elevate the weak be reallocating resources from the strong to the weak.
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I do not believe in universal suffrage democracy. I do not believe each person's vote should count the same as another person's. I believe at most in a constitutional republic where voting restrictions are set in a manner the republic decides is likely to produce the best outcome for the republic and I do not believe universal suffrage is it.
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I believe in a patriarchy. I believe men should have a dominant role in society while women should have a submissive role.
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I believe the ideal family situation is one in which the man works while the woman does not.
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I believe in two genders embodied by the traditional qualities of masculinity and femininity of which we should promote as archetypes for those respective genders to follow.
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Justice is getting what you deserve and ultimately, no human deserves anything unless they earn it. One's existence does not and should not mean you get anything out of life. You should get out of life what you put into life and no one owes you anything.
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The State should be limited. Taxes and regulations should be as limited as possible. Resource reallocation should be mostly illegal as it is unjust and essentially theft.
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Non-voluntary welfare systems (ones funded by taxes) are unjust.
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I believe in preserving traditions and cultures of a society not in diversity and multiculturalism
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I do not believe immigration is a good thing, especially when birth rates of your domestic population are so low that a country is using immigration to grow its population.
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I do not believe in an acceptance of sexual liberation and believe it is immoral. LGBTQ+ promotion is immoral.
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I believe in nationalist economic policies that see that the benefits of the countries labour stay in that country and are not diverted to another country only to benefit the wealthiest capital owners who never repatriate the gains.
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I believe the correct and moral course of action on something like covid-19 is literally the government doing absolutely nothing. I believe all government regulations over covid-19 are entirely immoral.
That should give you a basic idea of where I stand. Now understand that I never used to believe all of this. I used to be quite modern in my beliefs. More or less, the opposite. But I found I was living a lie that wasn't true to my true core beliefs at a far more natural and biological level. Further to that, I saw how negative society overall was in the relationships and interactions everyone engaged in. How romance died, how everyone become so entitled, unappreciative, lazy, materialistic, exploitative and seeing relationships as nothing more than transactions. IMO, it has been the embrace of the more recent modern values, especially those in the last 60-100 years all of which I mostly reject because I do not see them as progress but as actually the root cause of society's degradation.
The democrats represent my antithesis because their value system and philosophy implements structures or systems in place designed specifically to kill the values I hold onto. They are trying to destroy this value system because they see it as evil and wrong whereas I see their new system as evil and wrong. If you're aware of Nietzsche's master-slave morality, I would argue under that lens that White Men created a society of Master Morality that suited white men and the last 60-100 years has been the creation of a new slave morality system which is this new international sustainable wokeism aka leftist or whatever label you want to call it to undermine the master morality of white men. I happen to have a biological level be a master moralist and I tried embracing the slave morality but it just didn't work for me. I never felt I was being true to myself.
The most important thing is have lots of children, home-school them and make sure you teach them good moral values. The only way to win this war is demographics. Their culture's ideology is so selfish focused that they hate children. As long as we have lots of children, it'll only be a matter of time before we overtake them again through demographics. Be careful of public schools (private too, any institution that teaches your kids), hollywood and social media though because those institutions are how they convert your children into their children.
The stock market represents the biggest corporations in the USA. These corporations benefit from an empowered China, though the American people do not. Also, corporate taxes are a bit of a joke because these large corporations are often able to completely bypass them with complex tax strategies, ESPECIALLY the big corporations with foreign operations.
Also, Biden wants to take on significantly more debt than Trump would have to allocate toward pet projects which will benefit the major corps. Debt essentially under this scenario will simply act as a wealth transfer from average Americans to the big corporations.
Trump has been good to corporations because Trump has been good to America. Biden is actually going to be better for big corps but not for America.
Yeah, I posted this last night. Something is up. Yes Twitters/FB/etc... banned his account but he can easily make a quick video or even sign a statement. He hasn't done any of that. The current words from Trump don't link back to Trump. Anyone could have wrote those words.
If we don't hear from Trump in the next few hours, I'm honestly thinking he might be detained by the deep state and they're seriously going with the 25th amendment to install Pence as President until Biden/Harris take over.
And now you know why men didn't want women voting. Communism is actually a feminine based ideology. Don't believe me? How about this:
Assemblywomen (Greek: Ἐκκλησιάζουσαι Ekklesiazousai; also translated as, Congresswomen, Women in Parliament, Women in Power, and A Parliament of Women) is a comedy written by the Greek playwright Aristophanes in 391 BC.[3] The play invents a scenario where the women of Athens assume control of the government and instate reforms that ban private wealth and enforce sexual equality for the old and unattractive.
She proposes banning all ownership of private wealth and establishing equal pay for all and a unified standard of living. She further explains that people will no longer have a need for personal wealth as all basic needs will be met by the common fund.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assemblywomen
Read it. The Greeks envisioned that if women had power they would essentially turn society into a communist society back in 391 BC...
What you're seeing unfold right now is what happens when women have power. Men become oppressed. Your natural inclination toward the system of "freedom" that you want as a man is NOT what women naturally desire. Women want a strong State to take care of them so that they aren't reliant on a man and still get what they naturally desire. Men want a limited State so that they have the freedom to take care of themselves and women become reliant on them so that they get what they want out of life.
That's just how it goes. Universal suffrage is not your friend.
Oh good, a leftist willing to converse. I hope you don't get banned, I enjoy the discussion.
The centipede is a a meme from 2016 that caught on. It has sentimental value to the group and many find it cute. I realize to market to others, it isn't necessarily ideal but the value system of the right is one in which people don't care about the perception of others because we're not trying to manipulate people through superficial optics.
I agree that the discussion on election fraud is pointless. I'm not like most Trump supporters in the sense that at this point I care about the truth of it all. The issues have gone past that.
It's quite sad how all your talking point are the same. Are you capable of formulating your own opinion using your own words with your own interpretations or do all of you just repeat what the collective group-think approved discourse is?
Trump is selfish. We all are. No need to exaggerate. There are very few actual good people in politics. Biden and Harris are both no angels either. If you're convinced Trump is evil and politicians like Harris, Biden, Hillary, Obama are actually good people who are not comparable to Trump then you've had the wool pulled over your eyes.
But there's a reason our perceptions are so different and it's not because we've been conned or you've been exposed to psy-ops propaganda or whatever, it's because our fundamental value systems differ. Your sense of morality is much different than my own. Trump better aligns with my sense of morality than these people and to you, Trump represents someone who's sense of morality didn't align with you but many on the Democrats do. Women like AOC and Omar are pure evil to me in my value system whereas perhaps you see them as good. Bernie to me is someone who's heart is in the right place, so not evil, but who is entirely misguided on what is actually good for society. Trump is kind of the opposite of that to me, I question Trump's sincerity always because he's a predator of a person. An alpha dog who may align with other alphas but he wants top dog position so one has to always be careful. I'm fine with that though and in fact think that's a good way to be. I do believe what Trump has done has been in the interest of the nation unlike what say Bernie would have wanted to do.
I do take slight offense about thinking everything in my whole life is a lie. I think I know what's going on better than Trump does (at a cultural/philosophical level not the behind the scenes stuff obviously). I don't let anyone on the right tell me what to think. I think for myself. Something people on the left often do is that you ignore my own experiences in life and my own feelings. I know your worldview and what you want to promote doesn't work for me. How do I know? Because I'm living in the nightmare you created already and I want out of it. I want to change course and I know which direction I need things to go in order to benefit me. At the end of the day, all I want to be is happy and the society you're shaping is not one I will ever be able to be happy in. You don't actually care though and you'll blame my lack of happiness on me instead of understanding how your way of life is causing harm to me.
I know truth but like all humans, we tend to have a bias in interpreting truth in a manner which benefits us. You do it as well. Sometimes the truth is never possible to truly know and we only take our best guesses at it. At the end of the day, truth matters less to me than the outcome a worldview provides me. Take Christianity for example. Perhaps we learn the truth that it was entirely fabricated by humans and God isn't real. Does that mean we should toss Christianity to the side? Or perhaps, the value in the religion itself. The morality it promotes, the submission to God and the worldview believing in it creates is a better outcome despite it being entirely a lie. I may opt to still cling onto Christianity then despite the truth were that possible. Living a life of misery but maintaining, well at least I know the truth isn't necessarily a good outcome for me. In the matrix, Cypher wanted to go back and have his memories wipes for a reason, because reality sucked.Truth in everything imo isn't inherently valuable what matters also is what the truth leads to.
You are correct that the winners will vilify the losers and teach about it in order to ensure the losers never rise up against the winners again. That's just what humans do. And yes, I will have to face the consequences of my chosen cognitive processes. I wish my processes were compatible with your own, I truly do. I used to be a big leftist myself but I could not find purpose, happiness or a sense of well-being with your value-system. It took me a long time to figure out exactly what the problem was but I did and unfortunately, I'm in no better a situation because you're in the process of destroying people with my value system and oppressing me such that I still can't get what I want out of life but at least I'm aligned with the value system that if dominant again, would give me what I'm looking for.
Running and hiding is surely going to see justice enacted. I get that you're frustrated but we need to stick together and focus on defending ourselves. We need to regroup and this is the place for it.
Trump is likely out of the fight or at least isn't fighting in the way you want him to (he said he's going to keep fighting) but we're still here fighting too.
They aren't just coming to 2A, electoral college, etc... they're coming to force your submission to their value system which clashes with your own value system. Running away from politics won't stop their continued attempt to force you to submit so if you care about your freedom, you still need to fight even if Trump isn't our guy.
That's not it. A lot of Trump supporters didn't even know about the Rally nor was there really any build up for it. Most people are followers and kind of go with the flow. These big rallies you see tend to happen because people talk to their friends and spread the word. It's on TV and there's promoters who go around promoting the event etc... It's well planned out in advance. Trump's rally was not promoted in the same way and people are socializing at an all time low right now meaning the energy required to convince a lot of average normies to go isn't there.
It's so sad. I'm a fairly sensitive person when it comes to emotions and I felt society change as leftism took over, of course I didn't know then what it was exactly, but knowing how relationships used to be pre-leftism and how they are now post-leftism saddens me because it is difficult to find genuine affection and care from others, especially of the opposite sex. Men have maintained the semblance of their comradely they've always had. But yes, Romance, and the delicate nature of caring about people's emotions as you attempt to build an emotional bond with someone is almost completely dead. They just don't know how to do it.
This is very true. The left is the side of superficiality, of materialism, of power and reputation and transactional relationships. The left has actually killed the emotion of love. There is no genuine compassion and care coming out of the left, it is all adversarial. Their ideology specifically destroys love though many on their side do not understand this and don't understand why they're unable to find the love they seek when they adhere to their leftist morals.
Their entire ideology is based on oppressing those that disagree with them. Any ideology that tries to force submission to itself, isn't an ideology that can truly love because love requires submission of the self to others, something the left is incapable of doing.
I can't be cordial with people who are actively destroying the happiness and love in our society to enhance their power.
I mean, do you want to win or not? I only make plans to win. Chimping out at the capital building was always going to be nothing more than a LARP. If you truly want to ensure victory you need to take more strategic action and yes that means there will be blood.