Dude, Thomas Jefferson and all the revolutionaries themselves even said that the right thing to do is to endure this stuff if at all possible. Not everything is a line-in-the-sand issue, otherwise society would be one long, bloody civil war without end. Most Americans care about feeding their kids, keeping the AC/heat running, and being able to pursue their interests. This shut down has lasted what? Less than two weeks at this point? I'd say we're still well within the "patient endurance" phase.
Total freedom from them? In this case, people keeping their businesses open would (could) contribute to a public health crisis that could cost the economy trillions of dollars and could cost hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions (depending on the model) of Americans their lives. It is a balancing act, but at a certain point there is a role for government in public health/safety. I think we need to be extremely careful about it, but I do think there are legitimate times when they should get involved. That's why it matters who is in charge of the government.
Shot down every time it's been brought up. Was a part of the Confederate constitution, for what it's worth. Not a power the President of the United States has.
Not to mention that Trump clearly acknowledges and sees this as a real issue to be dealt with. He routinely calls the media and other countries and Democrats and even the GOP out when they're trying to promote fake crises to suit their own ends. The fact that he didn't in this case just might suggest that, you know, there actually is something to this.
Dude, I think skepticism is a good thing, but in this particular case, I think you're dealing with a good old fashioned real life issue. Far too many moving parts and points of failure to be some kind of op. Remember, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you...the world can be full of schemers and criminals and oppressive government regimes, but nonetheless there still are real issues that crop up, right?
I've got three girls, and a boy due in two months. God is good.
Nobody likes deficit spending. Everybody knows the media lies incessantly. But the part about the boy who cried wolf that people gloss over is that in the end, there really was a wolf. This is a real crisis. Not because coronavirus is the next black plague that everyone is going to die from (nobody thinks that), but simply because the virus spreads much more quickly than the flu, and no one is immune and if everyone were allowed to get sick at the same time, it would crash the hospital system, the economy, the law enforcement system, etc. it really would be catastrophic. It’s good to be generally skeptical, but in the case where every major country—from the communists to the Canadians to the Trump administration—is basically handling it the exact same way, I think you can reasonably conclude that there is something to this and maybe it’s not all dumbasses worried about nothing.
Odd that the “right side” happens to be whatever side you’re on.
I used to be a strict libertarian until a conservative professor of mine (yes they exist) hit me with the reality that second party victims aren’t the only victims. With drugs, for example. I have children...I love them more than they love themselves. Suppose, God forbid, they were to start doing drugs. The libertarian view is that they’re “not hurting anybody”...but that is very much false. They’d devastate me completely...far worse than if they physically assaulted me or stole from me or something else we do recognize as illegal.
The point is, there really are first and third party victims. You can victimize society (illegal immigration) and you can even victimize yourself. I agree that the government has to be very, very careful about how it deals with these realities, but I no longer believe that it has to stay out of them on principle. Drugs are one example, but not the only one.
Just my take on it.
That’s politics. It’s good work if you can get it. You could stand on principle and never get anything done, or you can take the best deal you can realistically get and accept that there will sometimes be trade offs. It sucks, but in the words of Dr. Malcolm: “there it is.”
Now Bernie will torpedo it. We’ll all feel the Bern.
You ought to get on Twitter and let Donald know. All of these countries losing trillions and sitting politicians missing out on an opportunity to look like clairvoyant super-leaders, and all they had to do was ignore the whole thing--which isn't even happening anyway. What a bunch of idiots.
Russians are white.
I think you are seriously misreading this entire situation. People can think whatever they want. The fact is that this has crippled Europe, parts of Asia, the Middle East, and the United States. These are wildly different regimes with wildly different interests, yet they're all facing the same reality.
I’m blown away by the supposed Trump supporters on this site, who’ve gone to the trouble of making the migration, who essentially are telling everyone that Donald John Trump is a dumbass by calling this pandemic fake news and proudly defying the PRESIDENT’S OWN DIRECTIVES about staying home.
Consider for just a moment that Trump and Pence get briefings and information you don’t, and have access to information you don’t. They both say cut the bullshit and stay home. We’re not telling you to trust CNN. We’re telling you to trust Donald Trump.
Not everything is about you.
You’re making a mistake. Everyone here more than appreciates that virtually everything the news says is 100% bullshit, so I can understand your intuition. However, Trump knows more than you: he says stay home. Pence knows what you don’t. He says stay home. Are you saying that these two have been duped by communist shills? Are they concern trolls? Or is it worth considering that maybe this is an actual problem?
Even a broken clock is right twice a day, right? Yes, we know this isn’t Black Plague, but no one is saying it is. The problem is that everyone cannot get sick at once. That’s all. The hospitals don’t have the capacity. Donald John Trump doesn’t fall for bullshit and would not allow the economy to be ravaged over nothing.
Stay at your house.
I remember it as NO STEPPE ON PEPE. Is that one no longer in service? haha.
Glad they've got this place up and running.
I don’t think I am...I just think that while there may be a cabal of evildoers bent on world domination, there’s also such a thing as real problems. I don’t think I’m the guy to parse which is which with certainty, but that’s why we elect trustworthy leaders. Trump says it is legit.