lol yeah right. I saw some shit explode like a few weeks ago. Of course the media didn't report on it because they love Elon Musk, but there were video footage.
All I see is SpaceX rockets exploding but I guess that's success nowadays?
Yes, Tesla did bring electric cars to the mainstream. That's an accomplishment. I never said he wasn't good at hyping worthless shit. That's what he's good at.
Sure. I was wrong. I didn't know he had the gall to call himself chief engineer when he knows nothing about engineering but I guess anything is possible with Elon Musk.
I don't give a flying fuck. Being an engineer doesn't make you a genius. I have more respect for Steve Jobs than Steve Wozniak, and Elon Musk is more like Jobs than Woz anyway.
Will it? Have you seen the future?
I don't know enough about space rockets to know if their method saves cost or not, so I can't comment there. I know it's not an automatic cost saving method, though, like most seem to think.
I'm extremely uninterested in space. If people want to waste their time with space rockets, go ahead, but it's not some sort of accomplishment when it doesn't actually accomplish anything good.
Of course. That's why I said "rethink" instead of "change your opinion".
This is a debate I personally don't know which side I'm on. I only know that anyone that claims to be certain is an idiot, and that if Elon Musk and other morons prefer one side, perhaps the other side is better?
Both were hurt. The stock price soared. Hurts the shorts. The stock price fell, the regular stockholders got hurt.
Nothing more needs to be said.
Regarding his fraudulent statements, yes I suppose if you want to let yourself be duped by someone who is known to make lies, go ahead. They are fraudulent statements though. Did they make 500k cars? Did he have a buyer? Were they profitable? NOPE. So he lied. You can't defend it with "it just didn't turn out that way", those were statements that were made, not promises, just lies.
Let's say they were projections and that you're allowed to fail. Ok. Why would you say someone who has made about 150 or 200 projections, let's say, of which 0 came out true? Why would you trust someone after that? How easily duped are you?
Apple and Microsoft does not have a history of making empty promises. Tesla does. In fact, they haven't made ANYTHING but. I mean that. Absolutely zero of their promises have come true. I mean that literally. Not one, or two. ZERO. ZEROOOOOOOOOOOO.
And lol at the "trying to change the world." Steve Jobs changed the world. Elon Musk is a fucking moron who needs state subsidies to sell a car that is ELECTRIC which doesn't fucking matter in the slightest.
No, Tesla is just building a bubble of easily-duped stockholders that create a market value not reflected in the company fundamentals. Nothing fraudulent, legally speaking, so far. The fraud is how they do this, which is by making clearly false statements on profitability, cash flow, production levels, buyers, and other things.
Perhaps they could defend themselves legally but it's enough for me to morally condemn them.
That's completely irrelevant. How could fraudulent behavior be based on future progress? If I kill your family but a meteor happens to land on their house an hour after and they would have been killed anyway, did I not commit a crime? Fucking stupid.
None of my examples are deadline related.
"Amazing progress" LOL
What fucking progress is that? NONE OF THEM ARE EVEN PROFITABLE. They literally survive because they receive subsidies.
Haha I give you a finger and you chop it off. Are you pretending to be retarded now or are you?
I said I can understand it as a JOKE if the price REALLY was 419 but he said 420 as a joke. I think that's fairly ok as well since it's just a dollar above the real price, and I can understand the humor in it even if it isn't funny to me.
Making up a buyer completely I can't really find the humor in. Especially when he follows it up with tweets like this: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1026894228541071360
Why did he do that if it was just a joke?
And why did he never once claim it was a joke?
Why didn't he write "It's just a joke" when the stock price soared after the tweet?
Huh?
Because I made a lot of statements and I don't have time to find sources for them all. If you can pick out one I can prove it.
Yes, the tech exists insofar that it's being attempted.
It will never succeed though.
Yes they have projected 500k vehiches for every year since the start. Always been a lie. But the year they actually make it everyone will say "LOL see Elon Musk never lies!!!"
I don't care how you personally got hurt by the tweet.
He lied to boost the stock price. That hurt shorts.
Then the stock price came down because it was revealed as a fraud. That hurt regular stockholders.
How is that hard to understand?
What do you want proven?
You defend a person you know nothing about with lies. Why is that? Who brainwashed you?
Enron entered the energy market and succeeded.
Theranos entered the medtech market and succeeded.
They claimed they would make 500k cars many many years ago. This has nothing to do with the coronavirus. Your lies in defense of Tesla proves that you would go to any length to defend them, which makes you brainwashed.
Yes, I can walk you through it. The stockholders. Longs and shorts. There. Done.
I can accept it as a joke in the sense that the price was really 419 but he said 420 to make a joke. But a buyer didn't exist, and he didn't claim at any time that it was a joke. When the stock price soared, why didn't he write "Calm down, it was just a joke. There's no buyer"?
Woah, what is it I'm detecting here?
How can you hate on Bill Gates who has accomplished 100000x more than you have in your lifetime?
That was the rule, wasn't it?
Literally not.
CEO means Chief Executive Officer. Not Chief Engineer.
This is irrelevant regardless, so please shut the fuck up now. Go back to disbelieving viruses and burning 5G towers and hating on Gates.
If the number 420 is the joke, then you should really understand why changing the number from 419 to 420 would be an attempt at humor. Why don't you understand that? What's your problem, really? What are you even trying to say? What is this attack?
I think you might actually be retarded or have downs or something. Is that it? Because I laid everything out extremely thoroughly for you, even admitting to some of your points, and you're still attacking me for something completely irrelevant.
You have completely misunderstood my post, just know that. You can't even read a simple sentence and understand it , yet you think you can debate something with me? LOL. You're the retarded troll, not me. Burn in hell you little shit ass fucking retarded soyboy faggot.