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Captain_REEcard's link is the traditional way it has always been done. The first major project of building a dam "in the wet" was the Olmsted Lock & Damn project on the lower Ohio River between Illinois and Kentucky. This was an engineering masterpiece by the Army Corps of Engineers, but a construction nightmare to achieve. It was drug out as an example of government waste, cost over-runs, and the like, but the majority of issues were environmental, (there was a "fine line" of +/- several feet of water level where construction could happen) the original contractor being WAY in over their heads, increased steel prices, and issues of implementing new untried technology. These things combined to make the project run way over in time and cost. Even with all of that, the cost will be recouped within 5 years from barge fees charged. With all the money literally pissed away overseas over the last few years, replacing two WPA/TVA era faltering damns with this one, on the busiest section of the inland waterway was money well spent. IMHO. Plus, it was done without disruption to river traffic from not having to build huge coffers and shut down the river. When construction got out into the main channel, traffic was brought through the chambers, and never stopped. This was a major consideration for trying this method.
For speed and convenience, the lock chambers were built in the traditional way, coffered and pumped, set in bedrock. Then, the remaining parts were built on land and taken out and set in place like giant Lego pieces. One of the innovations was "tremie concrete" that would cure submerged. The shells, or pieces, were hollow underneath, taken out and submerged, and then filled with this concrete. It displaced the water in a controlled manner.
To kinda bring this back on topic, we are in the New Madrid seismic zone, so, (I'm assuming at least) the Corps took this into consideration in the construction. I do know they are in communication with the different highway departments on retorfit and new bridge construction for river bridges. Agencies in this area have seismic protection as a top priority. At any rate, I can see where this damn would tolerate a reasonable shake. It SHOULD be reasonably forgiving for all but cataclysmic events. Should that happen, there would be a lot bigger fish to fry from St. Louis to Memphis anyhow.
I'll post links to this project for your curiosity:
My exact thought. I came here to post "What we have here, is a failure to communicate." and so on. Just goes to show pedes think alike....
Our local police said early on that they would not be enforcing any covid BS. And this in Illinois, where our governor is only one step behind Cuomo in his retardation. So, our cops won't be beating anyone. And, down here in the bushes, the military will be hard pressed to beat their meat, more less heavily armed civilians. It isn't called "Bloody Williamson" for no reason. We have a history of extreme violence when our way of life is threatened. I could actually see CWII starting here, to be quite honest. All it would take is the first hint of what you suggest......
I love winter. I struggle in summer. I have prepared for a dark winter for as long as I have prepped. I read once something to the effect of "pray not that your flight come in winter" or some such. So, I figured if I prepared for if it did, others could pray, I'd have no need to. I figure I can be naked (and not so afraid) in summer if needs be, but, I have plenty more clothes to put on in winter. Did I mention I hate summer and love winter????
You pedes have all made valid points and correct recollections of the facts here. I would add that he shot the dog first, then the boy when he was going to warn there were trespassers. Also, you all have correctly recalled the set up with the sawed off shotgun. BUT. Remember. There is nothing inherently wrong or illegal with a sawed off shotgun, SO LONG AS THE MINIMUM BARREL LEGNTH IS MAINTAINED. Randy Weaver isn't, (nor was he then) an idiot. He cut the barrel at the legal limit. Supposedly TOO accurately. So, they measure it, and damn the luck, it ISN'T actually too short. It's right on the money. So, what do? Seeing that not ALL glowies are incompetent boobs, and there are a few who did pay attention in school, there was someone who had the idea of how to frame it. They dipped the barrel in liquid nitrogen, shrank it to a few thousandths too short, measured it then, and vola, CHARGE HIM.
I called it altering evidence. Still do. Even in the most generous interpretation by the most hard core statists, it would be called splitting hairs. All to prove a point. All it did was wake a few already dedicated men to the fact that they had best prepare their kids and grandkids. I have no doubt some of you pedes are the result. I can tell in threads like these where you know the facts, even though some of you were not born at the time. You certainly didn't learn the truth from the government or MSM.....
My name is Stew, and my pronouns are /never/did/
You read my mind, BFS. I came in this thread when I read the thumb on the main page to say virtually the same thing.
Proceed with caution OP. Your girl did not trust you to not be lying to her. She had to listen to her friends lean toward THEIR doubts before she considered YOU might be right. Your persistent nagging pissed her off rather than trusting you to have her back. I know you say it's all good, but do try to use this as a "teachable moment" OP. In the future, she has to know to trust you when you say "Here are the facts you are not being told, and here's the receipts." That she required outside validation when you had proof does NOT bode well at this early stage. I was actually going to say "RUN, you have a GF who doesn't trust your word as much as friends and randoms." There's a lot of BS out there, and it isn't easy to filter through it. BUT, when you do, as you have, and you know you are right, don't back down, and insist you be believed without having to be told the same thing by someone else. By the time that happens, it could be too late, as we are now seeing in the regret amongst the flock.......
Of the alphabets, NSA is the least compromised. Not that they aren't compromised, just a lot harder for this sort of thing to happen there. And as Snowden found out, if you do, you better beat feet, because they will come for you.
I've mentioned my friend who just retired and the SO who still works there. We've been chatting. I came up with something my friend is pondering right now. I believe I have figured this out. Someone at FBI, (OR CIA?) far enough up the food chain to do so, gets this data from No Such. Our girl here know this, and spills. Not on No Such directly, only that the info is compromised, and that's where it came from. We all know No Such has it all. No surprise there. We also know now that it is certainly not beyond, (and I'll posit now, SOP) for other vampires to glean info, I.E. "selective" use of info on Carter Page/FISA debacle. So, a vampire gets this data. Our girl knows it and spills. She gets canned for spilling that some alphabet is gleaning, NOT that NSA directly is, because that they do as a matter of course. It's the "unmasking" by someone else that raises the flags. I'm NOT some glowie apologist, I just have a reasonable understanding of how this works. If our girl here had released direct evidence of a lone NSA player (or "team" even), they would be disciplined swiftly, and you would not hear from her, because she would move up, not out. At least the way it USE to work.
Big picture? This is Deep State retaliation (I'm going to call FBI, judging from their recent behavior and motive to do so) for No Such throwing THEM under the bus a couple weeks ago. They are looking to make No Such look like the villain, because ultimately, the capabilities of No Such are THE prize. That it stays as locked down from peon minion prying eyes frustrates the Deep State to no end. Adm. Rogers was a thorn in their side, and now that he is gone, shenanigans such as this are getting easier. Look for something of this nature to come out on leftists, and the move be made to "We need to abolish dis ebil NSA and let the FBI/CIA handle these matters." If that happens, believe me when I tell you, THEN we are fucked.....
Ridiculous fines, but, I have to say I have a very nice extension cord because of this rule. It is a very heavy duty thick cord, the female end had been mashed by a lift. I suppose we could have forced a plug in it, but it certainly wouldn't have been safe to do so. I brought it home, cut the damaged end off, put a steel box on the end with an outdoor GFCI receptacle, and vola.
As much as we scream and decry OSHA and all the standards, I always keep in mind they are written in the blood of those injured and killed in the process of figuring out what NOT to do. Hopefully our young lady here doesn't win the Darwin award by violating one of the more dangerous standards.....
I don't think there is near the split inside No Such. As for Admiral Rogers, one day I do believe the full extent of his patriotism will come to light. The Deep State hated him, because they couldn't touch him. For a little more on him, I'll just leave this here.... https://archive.ph/q1kt8
I'm generally fine with their capabilities too. However, the powers that were, in the Bush admin. (namely Cheney) should be strung up by the nutsack for NOT listening to Binney and keeping the search function focused. He is the one who figured out how to do it, and how to focus it to hone in on real threats, instead of hamstinging data analysts by having to sift through mountains of bullshit to MAYBE catch something. Then, when Binney exposed them, they came after him. Their flaw was, he had it all on THEM. If they took his stuff, (which they did) THEY made it evidence. As soon as they found out he had back-ups and fully well intended to confirm it all in discovery, they dropped charges and went away.
I can also agree about it being a government entity, and the obligatory jobs program with it's fair share of ineptitude. I remember one evening over beers, my friend and I were "solving world geo-political problems" as we jokingly called it. I'm thinking this was back around 2010-2011ish. I mentioned "Don't worry about having to learn Spanish, you'd better start learning Mandarin." And then I went off on Chinese shenanigans I had been watching for at least a couple years. I don't recall exactly what it was, but my friend's jaw dropped. "How do you know that?" "I read a lot." No, really, How do you know that?" I said again, "I read a lot, and it isn't the bullshit you see and hear in mainstream media. It's out there if you know where to look. Why?" My friend said "We just put a team together within the last couple weeks or so to dig into this." I said "Well, we're fucked then, because I've known this shit for over two years. Y'all better catch up fast."
Don't think I didn't scream at them about this. I said "You KNOW what's going on, and your bosses know what's going on. WHY IN THE FUCK HAVE YOU NOT DONE ANYTHING ABOUT IT? You really need to send it up the food chain that they don't want to wait on US to do something about it. If WE DO, you have to know that you will be lumped in the same pot when it boils over." They didn't say a word. As bad as that sounds, I have come to know that when they won't talk about something, there's a reason they won't talk about it. As in, I'm getting a little too warm.... I think there are people maneuvering behind the scenes. I'm not sure how long they will wait. I have a feeling they are waiting on a whole lot more pain. The people have to get a real good taste of what the rats have in store for them, before they will never trust them again. We get it. The dumb masses aren't there yet.
Look up Bill Binney. (sp?) Yeah, they are a general gatherer. They are set up to, and do, grab everything globally. They have access to all the major "choke points" where all traffic flows through. They get it ALL.
The way my friend described it, they really DGAF about American citizens conversations, even if there is incriminating evidence there. They won't even look into conversations with suspected "terrorists" in many cases. It was explained like this: Say Hameed Mohamed works at a pizza joint, and he's on some sort of watch list. You call Hameed, and want a large soy and cheese pizza, cause Hameed don't do no pepperoni or sausage. Anywho, you call for pizza. No Such DGAF. Now, if Hameed calls his brother Akmed in Iraq, there's a very damned good chance they're listening, and if not, might come back and review it if needs be. They DO grab everything, but, for an "American Person" to be reviewed, it takes warrants or the equivalent, some proof of probable cause by another agency to dig in and retrieve it. There is ALWAYS, on NSA's end, a chain of custody as to who that information goes to, and further paperwork if this person is "unmasked." My understanding is, the metadata is requested. Alphabets investigate. If there is a there there, they still have to come back for the unmasking. Exceptions are Director or Deputy Director level people who can get the raw data, and if individuals are unmasked from there, it was them, and NOT the NSA who did it.
I think you are getting very close to the truth fren. That is certainly the impression I get from my fren who worked there and the spouse who still does. They are MAGA, not happy, but sworn to secrecy, and take it very seriously. Adm. Rogers ran a tight ship, (no pun intended) and the way I was told, (at least the impression I got of it was) there was quite "patriotic" "guidance"/training which boiled down to "To whom much is given, much is required." Adm. Rogers made it very clear that with their capabilities came the gravest of responsibilities. As in, they were not only the guardians and stewards of State secrets, but, every American citizen as well, and the two were inseparable in his eyes, and should be in theirs as well.
This ^^^. One of my best friends just retired from there recently, and the spouse is still there. They adore Adm. Rogers. They are real patriots. Their hands are tied to a large degree. Look for leaks, but remember Adm. Rogers set a very high set of standards that have to be followed, or at least were when he was in. His replacement is Viet, but I'm not sure if Cong or Based. Just know there ARE patriots there, to a larger extent than the other alphabet vampires. The vast majority there are former military, from back in the day when that meant something.
I had a little situation one time where I had some questions about how it came about, and mentioned in passing "Boy I sure would like to have the metadata on that little deal...." That got shut down REAL fast. I was told "There is no way in hell. Anything like that is severely frowned upon and punished harshly and swiftly. A guy got meta on his wife and affair partner, and it was caught real fast, and he was out in a heartbeat." I can't recall if there were criminal charges too, but, the impression I got was there probably were, and Homey Rogers didn't play that shit in the least. After Snowden, I do not like the capabilities he revealed they have, but, at least for now, I trust them to keep it secure much more than even 1% of the FBI or CIA. There are a lot of MAGA there, and I'm hoping it is going to be extremely difficult to dislodge them compared to what is currently going on in the active military and other alphabets. Remember, THEY HAVE IT ALL. Not just on us, (boring, as I was told) but THEM. And, THEY know it. They are the establishment and know they are only above the law to a great, but still limited, degree. Piss the wrong people off, and the mightiest can fall, or at least be swept aside.
So. IL. Pede here. So long as you are only ~5 mph over the speed or so, you should be fine. Your route takes you on I-64 E, to I-57 S, to I-24 E. Keep in mind there is construction on that stretch of I-57, so slow down in those areas. (Basically stay with traffic to an extent, but don't be over 5 mph over posted limit) Expect plenty of traffic. Not LA or Atlanta levels, but, that stretch of I-57 is the second busiest 4 lanes in the country. To your original question, IMHO, anywhere 20 miles east of St. Louis, and you are in the South. Especially anywhere south of Mt. Vernon IL where you hit I-57. It's solidly red down here. If you want to wait, then, at the latest, when you cross the Ohio River at Paducah KY. Then, you are officially in the South.....
I deleted my account because I posted factual information and it was removed, sometimes as soon as I posted it, and on one occasion, a month later. Then, on top of that was all the stupidity out of people I thought were smarter than that. At any rate, I finally got tired of my I.Q. dropping 10 points every time I went on there, and had to get away from it. It took me a couple days to get all the pictures I wanted to save off of there, then I deleted it, and made sure to NOT log back on within the 90 day period. I came here, infinity chan, half chan, and only a couple others. I've not missed it one little bit. I encourage anyone still on it to delete it ASAP.
Hmm, on further inspection, I think it might just be red, Sux getting old, the old peepers aren't what they use to be. I'm going to go with it being red, and walk around today with Smile Pepe face on....;)
Now paint that lowest part of Illinois that is outside the circle red for me, and make me a happy frog
I keep my water and beer (and occasionally other assorted left-overs/overflow) in my 1948 GE out in The Room. It's about ready for a good defrost, but it's still chugging right along. My ~2000ish era main fridge on the other hand is just about ready to die. It getting the "death rattle" when it goes into the defrost mode. I guess I'll have to start looking for the Consumer Reports or similar for what it's replacement will be....
Alex is a huckster who happens to get more right than wrong. A court jester when boiled down to the basics. The guy willing to take the abuse for calling out the naked emperor. And, he is certainly not beyond the occasional grift. I forget the exact rally (2A or some such IIRC) where he was invited to speak, and declined. However, once it became obvious it was going to be a big deal, he shows up and tries to take over like he organized it. He was promptly called out, but only marginally backed down.
Yes, he has a big mouth and will speak truth to power, BUT, always remember to verify truth mingled with fiction. This site is among a small handful willing and capable of doing so. Don't loose sight of that by putting anyone on a higher pedestal than they have earned. He IS owed an apology, but not by us, and will certainly never get one from those who owe it...
This pede comes very close. As an oldfart unionpede, I would say learn a parlayable skill, get involved, as with the fp. Then, learn to make fire and don't listen to dumbasses. Fall in love at your own peril. Trust but verify in all things, matters of the heart included. There will be time for all things, all in due time. Never back down on something you have verified the truth of, through filtering out the bullshit, down to the common denominator. If the MSM says it, believe the opposite, it will serve you well. If you don't expect too much of people, you'll never be disappointed. Never put ANYONE on too high a pedestal, they will break you when they fall off it. And, they WILL fall off it to one degree or another.
It probably started under Trump, they will get slap-o-the-wrist fines, which will be paid by the CCP, they will shuffle around positions, and go right back to business as usual. This time shielded from further "persecution" by a much friendlier regime.....
Here's our local contribution to the party.....
You may as well add "Olympic" sports as well. I just left the local watering hole, and they had the Olympic try-outs for mens and womens wrestling on. During the broadcast, I saw a BLM commercial, and promptly reengaged with my frens and ignored the boob tube from that point on. I'm SO glad I cut the cord on the TV in my house back in 2011ish or so. If you DO see such broadcasts, pay attention to only the other commercials, and STOP BUYING WHATEVER SHIT THEY ARE SELLING. If they support it, we don't support them. Simple as that....