so buying the gun is not the right;
owning the gun is the right...
but how do you own a gun with out buying it?
by your logic banning all gun sales does not violate the 2nd amendment.
unless guns must be made available for us to purchase, thus requiring someone’s labor.
“ Overview. The right to counsel refers to the right of a criminal defendant to have a lawyer assist in his defense, even if he cannot afford to pay for an attorney. The Sixth Amendment gives defendants the right to counsel in federal prosecutions.”
so who is paying for this? legal counsel from heaven??
seems like this Right requires someone’s labor.
as do all the other rights.
well, then, what is the ‘conservative solution’ to healthcare ? status quo ?? abolish medicaid/medicare ??
you do realize you’re cherry picking what functions as a government institution, as if those things are good merely by accident.
“Rights don’t require the Labor of others”
its one of those things that just sounds really clever; the 1st time i heard it i was like “wow! i never thought of it that way” —
but upon any deeper inspection, you come to realize just how retarded the statement is. Nothing about the statement is true, also its a nonsense concept. you’re thinking about the rights given to us by God, however, we are also afforded rights by society. The things we are granted access to by virtue of our existence and participation in civilization.
and to participate, we need others to come to the table. we cannot fend for ourselves and exist on our own, we need each other to survive, that is the law of nature. So the rights we seek to preserve must be agreed upon, thus requiring ‘the labor’ of someone else. The structure which ‘guarantees’ our rights is propped up with our taxes, or, our labor. so the very foundation of the argument is flat wrong... unless you wanna go live in the woods and provide everything for yourself, someone else’s labor is very much involved... so stop pretending you climbed out your mother’s vag ready to battle the elements and fend for yourself; you’re not Conan the Barbarian. lol
the issue is not the 2nd amendment; but rather the faulty argument “ rights don’t require the labor of others “ — they most certainly do... we don’t live in an automated system, we need people to make it work.
another right? lets see the right to an attorney; who pays for that? is the attorney volunteer?? certainly we cannot expect the labor of others to provide a “right”
give up on this argument, it has failed you... i know, political dogma won’t allow it.
when you drive your car that doesnt explode down the street, that is fairly maintained, to a grocery store that sells food you can expect to be safe and free from deadly chemicals... you should thank the efforts of our bureaucratic overlords at the government. they made that possible... you need to watch the documentary on youtube ‘millionaires in the congo’ by DW.
its 42 min long and VERY compelling. i promise you its a fantastic documentary.
by comparison our government is a finetuned machine...
so get rid of the military, the police, and public institutions because a government has a hand in it. Talk about a failed state... lets go back to the days of living in caves and beating rocks with sticks... lol
foolish, to think you have made a case against fixing a broken system.
someone had to clock in, to make that gun. <— required labor.
you buying a gun didn’t allow that man to sleep in that morning.
he went to work, thus providing you a gun, supplied by someone else’s labor... you know what, Build-a-Firearm! there we go, imma patent that original idea! =p
machining is a solution; to which you don’t have access to at this present time.
you have done little in your argument to prove that there is no labor required to exercise the 2nd amendment right. people who have worked hard to manufacture guns and bullets for people to be able to buy should be outraged that you have dismissed their labor.
you are not entitled to their work, so you can arm yourself against a tyrannical government or home invader.
ah yes, i’ve heard this one before: its too late, the government is already involved in everyone’s healthcare... the problem with government is a lack of efficiency, their solution is to throw enough money at a problem and it will go away...
now we can talk about all the ‘conservative’ contradictions;
The military is run by the incompetent government. Local municipals including the police are run by the incompetent government. public parks are run by the incompetent government. the post office is the longest government institution aside from the marines, both incompetently run by our government.
we can do this all day. there is no private solution, because you cannot profit from human health, we are in a state of constant decline. we are dying everyday, and to pretend otherwise is living in a fantasy more delusional than seeing nothing wrong with the current system...
its not a matter of, i can afford it for me and my family, let that man die in the street. its we all cover a basic need to survive. speaking of needs, the worlds most advanced and strongest military, is not a ‘need’ — but nothing stops us from funding that.
i am glad you guys took the time to engage me in conversation, especially given the controversial nature of the subject on a conservative leaning forum.
As someone who has always been slightly left of center, i recognize the virtues of hard work and integrity. i also value the american way of life and believe we need to return to being a patriotic sovereign nation with borders and laws that are applied fairly and equally. If america succeeds economically, we should all prosper.
thats my reason for supporting a system that would care for everyone, young and old, rich or poor, elite or freeloader. i know its not popular, but it would be a win for the american people, if we can make it work.... believe me, we can make it work.
the hollywood elite that want to murder your family are not on welfare.
people on welfare don’t even know you exist. they are the bottom feeders, and i doubt anyone would want to trade places with them because they get a ‘free ride’ - resent them?? i pity them.
Conserve - to save, or preserve. the pursuit of using resources efficiently.
making healthcare available to all LEGAL CITIZENS, would actually create a healthier more productive society, and eliminate the need for Health insurance companies which contribute nothing and only syphon money, a literal parasite. and Conservatives despise parasites, so shaking them off would actually be very conservative.
still gotta buy em to exercise that right. therefore requiring the labor of another to provide you with the Ability to exercise that right.
there is no firearm tree out there... some one had to make that gun. unless you think you’re entitled to government issue weapons, which i wouldn’t be opposed to that either.
well we need a top down approach. Regulate and standardize costs. make a resolution to make hospitals ‘public’ and liquidate/downsize the Board of directors, put them on a government pay scale (GS12+). those that opt out of the program can keep their board and remain private hospitals with government subsidies to manage.
Completely dissolve all insurance companies; or just circumvent them entirely, as they are a useless middleman, literally bloat, that contribute nothing to ‘healthcare’.
and finally the answer to your question, my patriotic friend, you and i would cover the costs with our taxes that we pay ( ok you can have your melt down now ); but keep in mind: no more monthly premiums, no more minimum deductibles to ‘buy in to your plan’ just to use what you are already paying for. medicaid/medicare and associated taxes would be rolled into those costs (at a reduced amount because: lower overall threshold, more people paying into the system) ... this COULD possibly result in a reduction of overall expenses... also your car insurance rates would drop, because they would no longer be liable to cover medical bills... thank you and every american that contributes the funding of our healthcare system.
except, all of those termination points, represent someone’s labor.
even the right to a ‘fair trial’ requires an entire team of officials to conduct.
besides; you’re missing the entire point behind arguing against a statement i never made ( i never said ‘healthcare is/should be a right’ ) — also as i have clearly demonstrated and pointed out numerous times; rights require labor; continuing to hold this stance is foolish, and really does nothing to further the discourse on a serious issue impacting millions of american citizens.