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It's clear it was nobody's interest to leak this call. Trump wants it to be confidential, obviously, and Raffensperger too because he sounds incoherent and scared.

Obvious conclusion: the call was leaked by a third party who eavesdropped to send a message to Raffensperger he's being eavesdropped, and if he had made any agreements with Trump, they would know it before Trump can protect him.

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I think the best way to fight this madness is to vote with money.

First create a regulation requiring all media companies to be publicly traded and controlled by diverse set of stockholders.

Secondly, all of you need to buy Google, Facebook and Twitter stocks, and join their stockholder meetings and then you need to grill them on their censoring behavior and threaten to sell their stock if they don't change their behavior.

You need to create a big scene that shows angry stockholders in their next meeting, saying these companies are working against the interests of the American people. They need to get a feeling there's bubbling discontent that they don't realize.

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The media are controlled by a powerful group of people only to tell you a single intangible lie: what is the purpose of democratic elections.

They tell you the purpose of elections is to represent the people. WTF - NO! The purpose of democratic elections is for the government to prove to you it is supported by living breathing people. When you settled for a flimsy document, and opaque voting machines, you lost control of your government. Governments can falsify documents. Governments can lie about voting machines.

This shit is global. This is the most dumb and ridiculous conspiracy I have ever seen, yet every single media outlet repeats this ridiculous lie. What does it even mean to "represent the people". It's not a real thing. It doesn't mean anything. This is propaganda. They control the world by lying to you about what elections mean. Wake up from this lie. Demand your government to show its support to you by living breathing human beings. They don't even represent you, they represent those falsified pieces of paper! absolutely ridiculous!

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You do not need to prove to the government there was no fraud - the government needs to prove to you there is no fraud!

Elections aren't meant to "represent". They aren't meant to "count every vote". They are used by the government to prove to the little person they aren't tyrants. You do not owe them proof they didn't commit fraud - they are all powerful! For the government to ask you to prove to them they didn't commit fraud is a joke!

THEY OWE YOU A PROOF THERE WAS NO FRAUD. NO PROOF - NO CONSENT. IF THEIR ELECTIONS FAIL AS A PROOF - THEY ARE NOT LEGITIMATE. THIS IS THE FRENCH REVOLUTION MOMENT OF OUR AGES. They managed to convince the masses about the purpose of democratic elections.

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The nature of democratic elections in true democratic countries are transparent and decentralized. True democratic elections in truly democratic countries do not give any counting center or location even the power or opportunity to alter 100,000s of votes. True democratic elections are conducted in a way that consensus agrees is fair. True democratic elections do not even reach a point where accusations of fraud can even be made because it is so decentralized it will require thousands of instances of fraud in thousand of different locations, with tens of thousands of observers and workers in a part of the conspiracy.

You are being lied to as to the nature of democracy itself, and these lies and propaganda are the most dangerous and corrosive propaganda to ever happen in the US.

Trump needs to say this - he needs to directly address what are the true values of a democratic election, and how the media are lying about the very nature of democracy itself.

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This dude is literally the mastermind of this whole scheme. The dude was literally writing whitepapers legitimizing and studying previous democratic steals in absentee ballots. Wrote a full on wargame on how to deal with Trump challenging an election stolen after election night. You need to look at his previous publications, it's like he's been studying his whole life how to do this steal.

Get the new AG investigating Edward Foley as the very first thing. EVERYTHING related to him.

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https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/li/uconsCheck.cfm?yr=2019&sessInd=0&act=77

https://fedsoc.org/contributors/edward-foley

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3446021

https://event201.com/

So this guy just randomly "guessed" mail-in ballots would change the results of the elections in PA after election night, PA only later legislated law allowing mail in ballots, then everyone gathered for a pandemic "wargame", all before anyone knew about COVID.

And then COVID came, everyone voted mail in ballots, and Joe Biden won after election night.

And all these people just happened to be right in their predictions.

P.S. SCOTUS is fucked. Look where Edward Foley comes from. Sorry to say this but they played Trump from the first minute in the WH. Do not count on the federalist society under any circumstances.

Edward Foley needs to be under investigation. He's definitely aware of the whole scheme.

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This is school level civics on democratic elections. Democratic countries hold decentralized elections, where a single person and location never even have the opportunity to alter thousand of votes.

If elections are decentralized, you can't dispute them because you will need to dispute thousands of locations and individuals. Democratic nations will never centralize the elections, because they risk both fraud and the election being disputed.

That's it. The biggest and reddest pill of them all. They literally teach this in civics in school in my democratic country.

You had counting centers with hundreds of thousands of votes managed in a single location by a handful of managers, therefore you did not have a democratic election. What those votes were is already irrelevant. It's easy to prove elections are fair in democratic countries.

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Everyone knows they did the same thing to Bernie and they are doing nothing. First time in history the underdog 5th candidate in first primaries magically win. They even used the Russia collusion bullshit on their own most popular candidate and they only pick corrupt people.

They need to understand they will never get to pick a candidate they want if they don't stop this fraud, and this is bigger than just Trump. This corruption will never again in history be more visible and glaring than this.

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You don't suddenly have sporadic instances of fraud. Nobody is bold enough to think he can change presidential elections on his own. Suggesting pawns woke up one day with the idea that they should risk getting convicted and arrested, just in order to elect a different president is absurd.

Everyone knows even if they engage in fraud alone its a drop in the ocean and wouldn't change a thing. Even the dumbest pawns know that. Even the most dumb pawns wouldn't even begin to try to change the results if they never had an indication / suggestion that this would be bigger than just themselves and it would change the results.

And of course, money. But even money must have come from someone with the knowledge that it could change the result, otherwise its wasted money.

The concept of "there was fraud, but not enough to change the results" is contradictory. Nobody would engage in lone wolf fraud for the presidency. That's an insane thing to think to do on your own. If there was fraud, it proves that the perpetrators of the fraud that is known, knew it would change the results - because otherwise they would have no motive.

Fraud is always motivated by the perception it would change something. Even small amounts of fraud proves there was motivation to think results can be changed. Even the most radical democrat wouldn't break the law and go lone wolf cheating on his own because he knows it wouldn't matter.

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I think everyone is missing the most important point of why this election was stolen, and how it was different than other elections, and also why massive mail-in voting is bad. And how this election was special and different not only in the united states, but worldwide.

Usually elections are impossible to steal. Why? Because normal elections in normal functioning democracies, each polling place is intentionally small and responsible for a very small number of votes. Every polling worker is responsible for a small number of votes, and even when he is fully compromised, he can only effect a few hundreds of votes, so to steal an election requires compromising tens of thousands of poll workers, an impossible task.

But this election was different. Under the excuse of covid, mail-in voting was introduced. The problem wasn't only that it's easier to cast a fraudulent vote. The problem was that all these votes were counted by very small number of officials. Every official in Detroit, Milwaukee and Philadelphia and Atlanta had access to much more votes than normal. Votes that would usually split in responsibility between thousands of small precincts fell under the sole responsibility of big counting centers in urban areas. Instead of having an election where a compromised election official can effect at 100 ballots, you had an election where a single official was entrusted with tens of thousands of ballots.

This is alone sheds light on a big problem with voting machines. Even perfectly secure voting machines allow a single election official to be be responsible for and entrusted with much more ballots than he otherwise would be, and this is an inherent vulnerability in voting machines.

This also points out to another problem in those places where the counting took too long. It took too long because too few workers were entrusted with too many ballots. They let too few workers handle too many ballots, even when the scale of the work was known in advance, because they want to intentionally have as few people exposed to the fraud as possible.

**The way to regulate around preventing this from happening again, is that you have to put a maximum number of votes a single election worker is entrusted with, and every batch must have a recording of which officials were responsible for it every step of the way, and you need to enforce those hard limits of worker-ballot responsibility. **

It's not enough to verify everything. election integrity responsibility should be dispersed between as many people as possible.

This is such an important point that I don't see anyone pushing. People need to understand that decentralization of counting the votes is the most important security measure in elections, and need to realize the depth of the compromise of that security measure. This is the heart of the fraud. This needs to be explained. It's also what sets apparent this election apart from elections in other democratic countries.

Decentralizing the election to prevent a steal is the equivalent of locking the door. Centralized election is like a house with an open door.

An election which by design is entrusted to a few workers in urban centers is enabling fraud. This election had cities arbitrarily centralizing hundreds of thousands of votes in an unprecedented way, funded by external interests. This is the heart of the fraud. Without centralization of counting and intentionally leaving a single point of failure, fraud can't happen.

Please Please Please spread this point, I can't stress this enough.