Somewhere between 1-2 orders of magnitude to be precise. 145,855 cases, 11,267 deaths = 0.078 case-fatality ratio (7.8%). If this data is correct, then the true CFR is about .005 or half a percentage point (0.5%). Still about 5 times worse than a pretty bad flu. Not the bubonic plague or SARS, but pretty bad.
JFC. Nice to see some reasonable people on here. I was giving up hope.
go out and protest then
.12% is percentage of New Yorkers that have ALREADY died...
How the fuck do you get .0001-.0004?
From the article:
"The data indicates the COVID-19 death rate in New York is about 0.5 percent."
NYC deaths is 11,267. NYC population is 8.3 million. If literally EVERYONE in NYC had COVID, then the death rate would be 0.0013. If, like the article suggests, it is 20%, then the death rate is half a percent.
no snak on bat
If you are skeptical of the numbers, just read about the ALL CAUSES death being way, way, way higher than normal. It doesn't matter how you count it in NYC, a shit-ton of people are dying,.
I'm going to ignore the latter part of your argument because it is immaterial and I don't have time to get into a fruitless internet debate about whether or not you can blame an ethnicity/religion for authoritarian communism. That's a separate debate.
What I will say is that it's ridiculous to claim that Russia is "preserving judeo-christian values" You can blame Jews for whatever, OR, you can claim to protect "Judeo-Christian" values. You can't do both.
Judeo? Have you ever heard of pogroms? Anti-semitism is deeply entrenched in Russia and the rest of the Eastern bloc. They may be based and nationalists, but my people have never truly been welcome there. Perpetual suspicious outsiders.
Ugh. Yes. Let Trump do his job. This effin' thread 3 weeks ago:
https://thedonald.win/p/FMA3SCzg/59-deaths--fifty-fucking-nine/
Red China also released a second study a few days ago that showed it had positive effects: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.22.20040758v2
Red China also was behind some of the in-vitro (cellular) studies that demonstrated that HCQ could work: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7078228/
Red China government is completely un-trustworthy, but there are some decent medical researchers there.
My take: HCQ probably works under certain conditions for some people. I would probably ask for it if I got COVID-19 under off-label usage. But I also don't think it's the silver bullet that is going to magically solve this crises. I am glad that it is under larger serious study in NYC now.
That's an interesting perspective. I'm definitely not a lawyer, but I'd agree that someone would challenge something like that, if only on principle!
Where does the right of the gov't come from to restrict movement constitutionally speaking? It definitely seems like we are in some unprecedented gray areas. Vox is usually leftist garbage, but this was an interesting investigation into the topic: https://www.vox.com/2020/3/11/21166621/coronavirus-quarantines-legal-constitution-new-rochelle
Curious for your thoughts
Really? Didn't seem like that was the case in 1918...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6140242/
In fact, social distancing appears to both have made the effects on the economy less severe than it would have been otherwise:
Yup, like travel bans and social distancing until we have good treatments ready to roll out large scale.
This was the post that made me stop lurking and start posting. I'm so effin' frustrated by the continued downplaying on this site regarding this virus. I get that exponential growth is hard to conceive of, but oof.Thanks for putting up the good fight, 'pede.
Really, really hoping that HCQ is as effective as it seems.
I agree that this raises serious constitutional questions. It is an interesting and complicated minefield of constitutional law. The Congressional Research Service concluded that:
The public health authority of the states derives from the police powers granted by their constitutions and reserved to them by the Tenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The authority of the federal government to prescribe quarantine and other health measures is based on the Commerce Clause, which gives Congress exclusive authority to regulate interstate and foreign commerce. Thus, state and local governments have the primary authority to control the spread of dangerous diseases within their jurisdictions, and the federal government has authority to quarantine and impose other health measures to prevent the spread of diseases from foreign countries and between states"
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL33201.pdf
I'm not sure if I buy it, but I wonder if this would hold up if challenged in the SC.
If I did I would. I'm young and healthy and so likely will be OK with or without treatment. I'd happily contribute to better understand the best treatments for this disease, whether they are cheap and promising like HCQ or one of the other treatments under study.
JFC there are some active ones tonight. Hope your family member recovers quickly. My sister and her fiance were in the same boat--all the symptoms but not in a risk group so were not prioritized for testing. By the time they were authorized, their fevers were gone and they were ineligible. But now they are participating in the plasma study, so I'm praying that their antibodies may go on help people. Sorry you're getting attacked for laying out the truth.
I'm pretty sure the wording of the EO from Cuomo basically lays it out as you state with the addition of the clinical trial (i.e. you can still get it in the previous two conditions you stated).
I hope so. There are several trials underway right now in other countries, including in NYC and Korea. I am hoping and praying they echo his preliminary work. I'm optimistic, but we NEED more evidence.
Look at my comment history. I support people being able to use this drug especially when they are a critical case. It seems like there is preliminary evidence that it might work. But it is just one of several treatments under study right now. My sister (she is in NYC and got COVID about 3 weeks ago) is literally donating her plasma so that it can be used in an experimental treatment. The thing is we still do not know if this works any better than any other drug. Trump himself said that!!! We shouldn't be putting all of our eggs in one basket. Listen to what medical professionals like BasedMedicalDoctor (see comment below) say! Sure, give it to as many serious patients as we want to see if it helps. But people are acting like EVERYONE should get this drug, and we do not have nearly enough evidence to support that! That's why we do large scale trials. Exactly what you say--because people are dying and suffering--is WHY it is important to be confident that our treatments actually work!
Yes, I agree it's a promising result. But it still does little to convince me that this should be the default medical intervention. I don't understand why Dr. Raoult is not doing a randomized trial to prove that this works better than alternatives if he believes it so much. It is the standard of evidence in all medical interventions.
"for patients in inpatient settings and acute settings" means that it is usable in hospitals... When did GEOTUS say he wants it "available for anyone that needs it"? He said he thinks it is promising. And I agree with him. What we want to avoid is TP-hording idiots to go scrambling and depleting the supply of the potentially life saving drug combo. There are trials underway that if it works will establish its credibility and lead to massive production. There are several interventions under development and with high quality studies that actually allow us to make strong conclusions about their efficacy. I'm waiting until then to announce a "winner".
I just looked into this. I have no idea who that guy is and he gives no source. See my comment: https://thedonald.win/p/FMO7RwVn/x/c/HEueGa2b
Dat is better.