You calling an argument a logical fallacy does it mean that you are right and everyone expert from the past that I refer to is wrong.
You are putting your logical games above the weight of my evidence.
Super-geniuses believe in things that you do not. It does not make everything they say true, but it makes those things possible.
If we can’t accept any new possibilities, then we can never ask the right questions. That shuts down shifts to new paradigms and puts limits on scientific inquiry.
Billions of people sensing something beyond our current understanding of the material world should encourage us to explore.
It is far more likely that our scientific, spiritual and instinctive understandingS of our world will converge rather than diverge.
I am not am not scientologist and despite you being able to label my rhetorical technique (appeal to authority) you are still a simpleton moron compared to people like Tesla, Schrodinger, Planck, Bohr or Heisenberg.
Just because you can label a rhetorical technique does not mean that that rhetorical technique isn’t effective or true. You have very little understanding of theoretical physics or neurology. You have no vision, imagination or openness.
You live in a very sad world inside that little head of yours full of rotting meat.
Religion is organized spirituality and is often used as a control mechanism by those in power. Religious institutions often become corrupted and their leaders will sometimes try to stop individual members from pursuing spiritual truths on their own. Stop trying to conflate religion with spiritualism.
If you want to understand how a spiritual connection to the universal unconscious can generate scientific knowledge, go read up on Tesla and see how he explained where he got many of his ideas from.
If you want to understand how consciousness is a prerequisite for the existence of the material world read up on the ideas of the leading quantum physicists from 100 years ago.
Here is the problem with your requirement for proof.
To meet your scientific standards for proof, you demand that the proof must come from some institution that practices standard science, from a place you find acceptable like, for example, Harvard university or a corporate pharmaceutical lab.
The problem is the people who give money to Harvard or to pharmaceutical companies don’t want certain types of proof. If I have evidence that HCQ stops the progression of COVID-19, for example, that proof gets ridiculed and suppressed by the people who control the budgets for the institutions that you have labeled as the truth tellers. Doctors healing hundreds of actual patients in clinics get ignored. Why? Because newer drugs and vaccines are more profitable.
Related to animal communication, another area where certain institutions don’t want truth is the existence of Sasquatch/Bigfoot. The thousands of witness accounts by policeman, forestry workers, lumberjacks military soldiers, hunters Native Americans, etc. you will reject as anecdotal despite the fact that a set of a thousand anecdotes is a higher form of proof than one anecdote about a spotting a Leprechaun in a pub.
How is it possible that thousands of credible witnesses are wrong (with more and more of them willing to risk their credibility by stating their names without seeking financial benefit by selling books, etc.)? Again, was each and every witness either: A) Drunk B) Lying or C) Can’t tell the difference between a bear with four legs and a 9 foot tall humanoid with arms and legs that is throwing rocks at them.
“I WANT REAL PROOF”, you cry.
Well, there are photos, and videos. Also, hundreds of large footprint castings made from tracks found in isolated areas up in the mountains in mud or snow. Many of the castings have been verified as legitimate footprints of an unknown primate.
“But all that proof can be faked”, you cry!
How about hair? How about DNA analysis? It has been done, more than once.
However, when someone does find big clumps of unusual hair (not fur) and they try to submit it to a lab for genetic analysis MOST of those labs will reject that hair and will not test it.
Now when they don’t tell the lab anything about the hair or find the rare lab not afraid of research, they have been able to get multiple lab results that say the hair’s matrilineal line was Homo sapiens and the patrilineal line was “unknown homonoid”.
But very few labs will publish the evidence with the lab’s name on it. So, finally some lab at Podunk State university decides to release their DNA results indicating an unknown hominoid species, what happens? It gets ignored. Do you think Harvard medical school would ever do this type of DNA work? Of course not.
Now why would anyone want to suppress the evidence for the existence of a large intelligent hominoid living in the extreme wilds of planet Earth?
Easy answer? Money.
No more clear cutting lumber, no more dirty oil exploration, no more national parks, etc.. We would have to grant these intelligent beings some land rights.
More difficult answer: If we understand Bigfoot, that might mean that we understand who we are a little too well for the powers that be.
But I still know what you will say, “But there’s no credible proof.....”
Ok, different topic. UFOs. OK, so the thousands of people who have witnessed unidentified flying objects are all just confused, lying or wrong, correct?
So when the New York Times posts an article with video from the United States Navy showing unidentified flying objects, that’s just stupid people being confused right? NYT? US Navy? What the hell do they know, right?
“Oh but one video is not enough proof.”, you say. Actually there’s more than one video, there are thousands of UFO pictures and videos from around the world. And behind the camera were thousands of credible people from around the world who have witnessed these things. Were ALL these people imaging things, lying or did they see Venus.
But you won’t believe it until they have one of these ships in a laboratory being dissected, right? Well how do you know that they dIdn’t have one of these ships in a lab already?
If so, don’t you think the governments might decide to protect us from scary information about aliens or might they decide that they need protect the world from the dangers of powerful technologies that could be turned into weapons? Or maybe they decided to block advanced technologies to maintain the current economic system?
Pro tip: If you control the funding for acceptable science, you can control what science gets done AND you control what science gets released.
Don’t believe me? Go ask a 1960’s sugar industry trade group how they convinced everyone for 40 years that animal fats and not sugar cause ALL heart disease. They did it by paying off Harvard researchers to say so. And so now, tons of people with sugar induced diabetes drop dead from heart attacks every year.
Final point: when you restrict truth to only the data coming out of a limited number of academic gatekeepers it hurts humanity.
Thanks.
I too, was once a “scientific materialist” who wanted to use evolution to explain everything rationally in order to reject spiritual thinking.
However, if you really understand and have faith in the tremendous power of evolution, then you should end up with more faith into the hidden powers of the human mind and spirit.
We are not just bio-chemical entities that came into existence by accident. Life also exists at the level of physics.
We are physical entities (as in the sense of physics) that can connect to all the energies and knowledge of the universe both discovered and undiscovered.
No, you ignored one of my best arguments. I said that the human brain can sense invisible energies at subconscious levels despite the fact that most of us are not conscious of that sensory equipment.
One of those energies humans can sense is magnetic field energy. The “non-scientific primitive” members of our species sometimes actually develop that ability to connect to the earth’s magnetic field because it is an important taught part of their culture as it helps them survive.
Last year, the scientific process was finally used to prove that the human brains can react to magnetic fields.
So based on your faith in science, three years ago, if I told you that some human beings may sense magnetic fields based on the observation that, some people have a better “sense of direction” than others, you would call me a fool. You would claim that those primitive hunters just have better cognitive mapping abilities rather than being able to connect to sensory equipment that for most of us is disconnected from our conscious awareness.
Today a number of people claim to be able to communicate with animals, including some of those primitive hunters who instinctively are able to track animals after connecting with their tracks. Again, you will claim that they are imagining things or that they’re lying rather than taking what they’re saying as having some basis in reality.
Now, are some of these animal communicators charlatans looking to take peoples’ money? Yes some of them are. But some of these animal communicators are doing things that most scientists can’t explain and don’t even want to look into.
It seems that autistic scientists, who don’t know who’s lying to them and who are not lying to them, have just decided they can never have faith in anything that any other human tells them. Therefore, if a human reports something to them that is not verifiable via current scientific method, that human must be either:
A) Imagining things or B) Lying.
Do you see what a sad philosophy that is.
Gosh, not sure.
Perhaps you can explain to me the name of the migratory bird scientist who discovered the earth’s magnetic fields.
Then explain to me which electric eel scientist discovered how to project electric energy out of its body.
Then, explain which bat scientist discovered the sonics and mathematics used for echo location when hunting at night.
Also, which fern discovered photosynthesis in a lab?
You see evolution helped animals and plants “discover” and make use of invisible energies and information despite the fact that human scientists had no idea about those invisible energies and information at one time.
As humans, we also benefited from that evolutionary process and we also have the ability to sense invisible energies and the information encoded in those energies.
You addressed one of my arguments with some accusation of logical fallacy.
Will you pretend that you learned nothing from my other arguments?
As lifeforms that have evolved over millions of years, we seem to be able to access instinctive and spiritual knowledge that we often end up verifying using an intellectual/scientific methodology.
Your faith in the scientific process does not invalidate the knowledge and faith of others.
You may lack faith in the ultimate powers of the human mind and spirit, I do not.
I believe that your lack of faith limits you. God bless.
Let’s go back 200 years.
Using the science of THAT time, I would like you to prove to us that invisible radiation and invisible radio waves exist. You can’t because the scientific equipment to do so did not yet exist.
Pro tip: At any given time, science may be unable to prove that invisible forces exist, yet these forces still do exist.
It was just proven last year that the human brain reacts to changes in magnetic fields (equal in strength to the earth’s magnetic fields) despite the fact that most people are not consciously aware of this ability. However, some people who grow up in primitive hunting cultures seems to have a better “sense of direction” than those of us who grow up in hi-tech societies.
Yet, when someone reports being connected to spiritual energies and knowledge, you, in your high-tech arrogance, claim they are imagining it or lying.
Consciousness literally occurs at a quantum level and scientists are unable to fully explain the many mysteries of the mind. And we are talking about minds granted unknown powers by millions of years of evolution.
Pro tip: Life, itself, tends to seek out any energy or information in its environment that will assist in its survival. If some of that information is wisdom lying in a quantum consciousness energy field, it will find a way to access that information.
Yes, religions have been used to manipulate or control people throughout history but the spiritual pursuit of knowledge is very real.
Carl was a good man but very likely overconfident in his belief that the scientific process was the only way to get to the truth.
To ignore all instinctual and spiritual knowledge and wisdom is arrogant at best.
Yes, culture has been dumbed down, our instincts have weakened and academia has become muddled, but honing your ability to connect to spiritual wisdom is a very real thing.
Yeah, but those refugees are white, so we don’t have to feel sorry for them.
Shouldn’t they just cash in their white privilege?