And thus you continue giving extremely weird definitions, distract from the actual fundamental problems and issues, etc. etc. etc., much like you have done elsewhere. I cannot help but wonder whether you are a leftist shill that seeks to ensure that government is never cleaned up, changed and reformed and is only controlled by leftists, the deep state and their neo-con controlled opposition allies, such that they and related groups can continue their goal of enslaving and exterminating the people of the USA. And you funnily enough distract away from these groups' infiltration, instead seeking to create a narrative that it is just government itself that should be "eliminated" (see https://patriots.win/p/12hRj4ORRX/x/c/4Dx5uPLB4Fg , https://archive.li/gyDmi ) without caring the slightest bit about any effective or viable substitute.
If government has been infiltrated, taken over and subverted by ludicrously, insanely, horrifyingly evil groups, shouldn't government be cleansed of that infiltration and changed and reformed as needed? And shouldn't those groups that intentionally, planned and organized sought destruction, enslavement and extermination of the people of the USA not be identified, found and dealt with accordingly (such as by deporting them)? Instead of simply "eliminating [government]" like NullifyAndSecede seeks (see https://patriots.win/p/12hRj4ORRX/x/c/4Dx5uPLB4Fg , https://archive.li/gyDmi ) and thus make it much easier for these groups to have external nations and countries invade the USA.
Because there are horrifyingly evil forces and groups at work in your country, and they directly seek to enslave and exterminate you, and has sought that for a long time now. They are part of and related to the deep state, leftists, etc.
And the example of the OP is especially vile, for some participants in "drag queen story hour" (which this seems considerably reminiscent of) were convicted child rapists of very young children. See for instance https://www.infowars.com/bombshell-another-drag-queen-story-hour-member-exposed-as-pedophile-report-says/ , https://archive.li/iDee1 , and also https://archive.li/REvKC ):
- Victim Age: 4
- Offense: AGG SEXUAL ASSAULT CHILD
Or because the government has been infiltrated, taken over and subverted. Why not clean up government, reform and change it, etc., instead of just abandoning the concept of government itself, not have any effective defenses for foreign threats and enemies, and pave the way for foreign invasions, whether military or indirect (such as through migrations)? "Eliminating [government]" like NullifyAndSecede seeks (see https://patriots.win/p/12hRj4ORRX/x/c/4Dx5uPLB4Fg , https://archive.li/gyDmi )?
EDIT: Fixes duplicated word.
So you aren't sincere at all, and you confuse matters on purpose among other tactics and tricks.
And given the rest of your comment, you aren't even describing or treating the original quotation accurately or meaningfully, or answering the questions meaningfully.
I did. That does not make him a Collectivist. It takes a little more than just a tiny quote to judge that. Being individualist and collectivist is a matter of magnitude anyway, and many - if not most people are right in the middle
Except you 100% didn't, and there is no doubt about that, and you ought to know that well (and you might well be fully aware of that).
Yes. Freedom is achieved by taking responsibility for your own life. And in order to be a functional member of society, you'll have to make valuable contributions to it. If you want to maintain said liberties, you'll also have to contribute to that cause in various ways.
And if a "functional member of society" fails that responsibility, and the society then punishes that member for it, does that mean that this society is "collectivist"? What if the society decides on some rules some way, some members disagrees with it, and yet are punished for it for failing to follow those rules? Is it then "collectivist"? Etc. etc. etc. You don't seem to even attempt to think through things at all, just stringing things together and hope something sticks. Unless of course you are directly lying and pretending among other aspects. Your definitions here are not coherent and meaningful, and I am not at all convinced that you believe yourself that they are coherent, consistent and meaningful. And I was asking the original commenter and according to his definitions...
And again, since it is still fully relevant as I asked the original commenter about and which you intentionally confused and distracted reg., I repeat it here (from https://patriots.win/p/12hkTntQjm/x/c/4Dx6XGv8t3G ):
Does that mean that Associate Justice of the SCOTUS Clarence Thomas is a "collectivist" (according to the definitions and arguments used by the original commenter which I asked) ? (from https://archive.li/pS4ck ):
"These guys are sitting there watching the destruction of our race while arguing about Ronald Reagan," Thomas said. "Ronald Reagan isn't the problem. Former president Jimmy Carter was not the problem. The lack of black leadership is the problem."
And what if a "white" person (or person of European descent) said the same? Would that person then be "collectivist"?
So you are most likely a shill, in particular one that is very/extremely much against free speech and open discussion.
I am a strong advocate of open discussion and investigation.
You have just demonstrated beyond any doubt that that is a blatant and extreme lie on your part. You don't believe your own words at all, and you know that fully well. You aren't even shilling well. Consider for instance my comments at https://patriots.win/p/12hkTntQjm/x/c/4Dx6XGyYce1 , https://patriots.win/p/12hkTntQjm/x/c/4Dx6XGzfvR0 , https://patriots.win/p/12hkTntQjm/x/c/4Dx6XH0p92B .
The Communists WANT us to be spouting "facts" [...]
You write "facts" in double-quotes. Does that mean that you consider 13/52 to be false or misleading? Do you have any sources or arguments reg. that? Or are facts "wrong"/immoral ??? Or "wrong"/immoral to talk and write about???
The Communists WANT us to have these arguments.
You seem extremely intent on preventing others from discussing and investigating how reality is. And last I checked, the leftists, deep state, communists, etc., abused and misused statistics, facts, etc., and did not at all want sincere and open discussion of things. Very similar to what you are blatantly and obviously seeking to do.
Reg. women making XX cents for every dollar a man makes, that is a topic that should be 100% open for discussion, such that light can be shined on it. Instead of you and other communists, leftists, etc. closing the discussion and choosing what each controlled side should be saying and thinking. For that topic specifically, one can come with arguments for and against, such as women often spending less on their careers (due to factors such as pregnancy), which is fully OK (and I think it also depends on the specific career, with some careers having certain genders usually being worth more, such as where physical strength is more important typically favoring men - and some job listings specifically ask for women and not men, and that is for very many situations fully OK (for instance in special care situations with heavily disabled and vulnerable people)). And those groups you describe are not all the same kind of grouping.
Are you a shill?
But why then would you write (at https://patriots.win/p/12hkTntQjm/x/c/4Dx6XGyXnpS ):
Even refuting the points of the leftist by citing group statistics is submitting to playing their game.
If you write that facts are not racist (which is something at least), does that mean that you consider some facts "collectivist" ?? Or is it somehow "collectivist" to refute someone's point by using relevant facts? Should truth be covered up, lest you "play into the hands of"/"playing the game of" "collectivists" ????
Given that you distract from it on purpose and do not address it, I repeat:
And you aren't the person I wrote to, so how can you be certain that you are using the same definition of "collectivism" (and why did you answer in place for him?)?
And as for your own definitions of "individualism" and "collectivism", is it for instance possible to have a system where people have great individual freedom and also great individual responsibility (both to themselves and overall), but at the same very much also have duties overall? Is it possible to have a system that is very "individualist" and also "collectivist"? Are your definitions even coherent and meaningful?
And given the rest of your comment, you aren't even describing or treating the original quotation accurately or meaningfully, or answering the questions meaningfully. So I repeat it here (from https://patriots.win/p/12hkTntQjm/x/c/4Dx6XGv8t3G ):
Does that mean that Associate Justice of the SCOTUS Clarence Thomas is a "collectivist" ? (from https://archive.li/pS4ck ):
"These guys are sitting there watching the destruction of our race while arguing about Ronald Reagan," Thomas said. "Ronald Reagan isn't the problem. Former president Jimmy Carter was not the problem. The lack of black leadership is the problem."
And what if a "white" person (or person of European descent) said the same? Would that person then be "collectivist"?
So, your answer to the question "Does that mean that the 13/52 statistic is "racist"? Despite describing reality?" is... "yes" ??? Or is your answer "that's collectivist!" ??
Even refuting the points of the leftist by citing group statistics is submitting to playing their game.
Facts are racist and/or "collectivist" ???
And why would observing differences be the same as having fighting between groups?
The insidiousness of the Marxist is to get you to identify as part of the collective, and think in those terms.
Are you one of the kinds of persons that like to preach that other people should not be "collectivist", and then preach to those you consider your own that they should stick together?
Interesting. Depressing but very/extremely important and significant if true.
What if a "white" person (or person of European descent) said the same? Would that person then be "collectivist"? And you aren't the person I wrote to, so how can you be certain that you are using the same definition of "collectivism" (and why did you answer in place for him?)?
Does that mean that the 13/52 statistic is "racist"? Despite describing reality?
Are there differences between judging an individual, and then seeing or observing differences between different groups?
What are your thoughts on Clarence Thomas and this quotation from him? (from https://archive.li/pS4ck ):
"These guys are sitting there watching the destruction of our race while arguing about Ronald Reagan," Thomas said. "Ronald Reagan isn't the problem. Former president Jimmy Carter was not the problem. The lack of black leadership is the problem."
Also, what about those that would group not under skin color, but under people with strong related genes, such as most Sub-Saharan Africans in one broader group, people of European descent in another, East Asians in yet another, etc.? Which is for instance used in criminal investigations, where investigators can determine such groups purely by looking at the skeleton of a victim (they can also determine gender by looking at such skeletons). Something which also indicates whether people will have complications reg. which variations of medicine. And then there is the IQ differences between different people, even after adjusting for socio-economic factors. Etc.
And do you consider stuff like 13/52 to be something arbitrary and irrelevant?
Does that mean that Associate Justice of the SCOTUS Clarence Thomas is a "collectivist" ? (from https://archive.li/pS4ck ):
"These guys are sitting there watching the destruction of our race while arguing about Ronald Reagan," Thomas said. "Ronald Reagan isn't the problem. Former president Jimmy Carter was not the problem. The lack of black leadership is the problem."
You are definitely beyond any doubt a shill. But are you also a deep state "pro-government" leftist seeking to have a monopoly on any kind of government and thus have an easier time achieving your goals including against the people of the USA?
You have already proven yourself to be fully insincere beyond any doubt, and you know that well, shill. And here you continue to lie, evade, downplay, story tell, distract, manipulate, attack strawmen, misdirect, etc. to the extreme, and you know that well. You haven't at any point attempted to argue meaningfully for your claim of no government, and you aren't seeking to define "government" meaningfully either. And "cotton picking" is not at all a life-or-death-for-the-nation issue, while having an effective defense and protection against foreign and external threats 100% is. And it is incredibly immoral and irresponsible to not set up an effective defense and protection against foreign and external threats, and you know that fully well.
Are you seeking to weaken and destroy the USA from the inside out? Instead of cleaning up the government, removing the wretched and evil parts that can't be repaired, reforming it in different ways, and so on and so forth, you propose that the US government should instead be abolished and not be replaced by anything effective such that China and others would have a much easier time invading the USA (or softer/more indirect invasions such as many more millions of illegal invaders when the wall is not maintained or even torn down).
Why do you seek to change focus away from the forces corrupting government to the absolute extreme and instead encourage people to not take back their government and fix it? Why not focus on the forces corrupting the government of the USA? Why not seek to shine a light on them? The deep state, the leftists, etc.?
Instead you spend your time distracting people and help misidentifying causes and issues. Despite many major, fundamental problems and causes as such having nothing to do with "government pros/cons", which you are fully aware of, shill.
And again, given that it is fully relevant:
(and you even come with a quotation in https://patriots.win/p/12hkTkUVxU/x/c/4Dx6XCDKyDo that is meant to direct and instill in people on how and what they should think and how they should act instead of encouraging people to seek to figure things out for themselves......................... which fits incredibly well with you seeking to be a controlled opposition pied piper).
(and the account NullifyAndSecede as per 2nd of March, 2021, 41 days old, has more than 20K post points and 15K comment points... mass-spamming quotations among other things).
You have previously argued for no government ( see https://patriots.win/p/12hRj4ORRX/x/c/4Dx5uPLB4Fg , https://archive.li/gyDmi ), without any meaningful or sincere alternatives reg. how to defend the nation and country of the USA from external and foreign enemies and threats without a government (nor any meaningful approach to funding a military that way). It is obvious and blatant that you do not believe your own words and quotations at all.
So you continue having no sincerity at all whatsoever, and you do not believe your own claims and arguments at all whatsoever. You lie, evade, downplay, story tell, distract, manipulate, etc. to the extreme, and you know that well. And you here seek among other aspects to avoid having to defend your argument of no government that you do not believe in yourself at all. You really are a controlled opposition pied piper shill. Are you paid to shill?
(and you even come with a quotation that is meant to direct and instill in people on how and what they should think and how they should act instead of encouraging people to seek to figure things out for themselves......................... which fits incredibly well with you seeking to be a controlled opposition pied piper).
Again, since it is still fully relevant (from https://patriots.win/p/12hkTkUVxU/x/c/4Dx6X7guNu9 ):
You have previously argued for no government ( see https://patriots.win/p/12hRj4ORRX/x/c/4Dx5uPLB4Fg , https://archive.li/gyDmi ), without any meaningful or sincere alternatives reg. how to defend the nation and country of the USA from external and foreign enemies and threats without a government (nor any meaningful approach to funding a military that way). It is obvious and blatant that you do not believe your own words and quotations at all.
How is no government a solution in any way? And for the much more realistic and meaningful approach of less government, that approach merely decreases and limits some of the negative consequences of government without cleaning up and handling the issues, and is thus not at all sufficient in an of itself (though, depending on the case, less government (but not no government .........) can indeed be very helpful and necessary).
(and the account NullifyAndSecede as per 2nd of March, 2021, 41 days old, has more than 20K post points and 15K comment points... mass-spamming quotations among other things).
EDIT: Forgot to include this part given that it is incredibly, extremely very much relevant still:
And reg. your shilling, you seem to very much seek to lead people towards wrong identification of the issues and causes as well as possible solutions and approaches to handling, fixing, etc. things, and thereby weakening and neutralizing the opposition. Instead of correctly identifying the issues and causes.
EDIT (again):
And you even succeed in distracting from correct identification of the issues and causes by beginning to write about "government vs. the issues it seeks to solve", when many major, fundamental problems and causes as such have nothing to do with "government pros/cons", which you are fully aware of, shill.
You have previously argued for no government ( see https://patriots.win/p/12hRj4ORRX/x/c/4Dx5uPLB4Fg , https://archive.li/gyDmi ), without any meaningful or sincere alternatives reg. how to defend the nation and country of the USA from external and foreign enemies and threats without a government (nor any meaningful approach to funding a military that way). It is obvious and blatant that you do not believe your own words and quotations at all. Are you seeking to be a controlled opposition pied piper leading people towards wrong identification of the issues and causes as well as possible solutions and approaches to handling, fixing, etc. things, and thereby weakening and neutralizing the opposition? Instead of correctly identifying the issues and causes?
How is no government a solution in any way? And for the much more realistic and meaningful approach of less government, that approach merely decreases and limits some of the negative consequences of government without cleaning up and handling the issues, and is thus not at all sufficient in an of itself (though, depending on the case, less government (but not no government .........) can indeed be very helpful and necessary).
(and the account NullifyAndSecede as per 2nd of March, 2021, 41 days old, has more than 20K post points and 15K comment points... mass-spamming quotations among other things).
But he is innocent, given among other reasons that George Floyd died of a Fentanyl overdose, similar to how George Floyd had an overdose in 2019 but survived. George Floyd's overdose in 2019 was somewhat similar to his overdose in 2020, where some video shows him seemingly swallowing something that looked like pills while being arrested (which would fit with him swallowing evidence before arrest).
They lie fully intentionally and on purpose. They aren't stupid, they are (typically very/extremely or more) evil.
Your account has very few comments apart from this very comment thread, it is about 36 days old, it jumped in right about when War_Hamster stopped commenting, and you persist in telling stories very much like War_Hamster. You are most likely a shill and/or one of War_Hamster's accounts. See also https://patriots.win/p/12hkTh5KWv/x/c/4Dx6WtW6pEI .
So you claim. Now 7 comments, still a 36 days old account, no submissions, most likely either a shill and/or another of War_Hamster 's accounts. See also https://patriots.win/p/12hkTh5KWv/x/c/4Dx6WtW6pEI . (and funnily enough features story telling very much like War_Hamster likes to do).
And for the sake of warning others, one should not use their real name on a forum like this due to the risk of doxxing.
36 days old account, 6 comments, no submissions ...... is this another one of War_Hamster 's accounts? See also https://patriots.win/p/12hkTh5KWv/x/c/4Dx6WtW6pEI .
And as before, shill, you lie (a lot), deceive, tell stories, manipulate, etc. to the extreme on purpose, including in this comment. You have no sincerity at all whatsoever, and you know that well. See also https://patriots.win/p/12hkTh5KWv/x/c/4Dx6WtW6pEI .
And thus you are lying fully intentionally, misrepresenting, misidentifying, etc. to the extreme, among other tactics and tricks.
And government should definitely be changed and reformed as I wrote, and which you now back-pedal towards, but you keep changing focus to government itself and admit yourself that your solution is "eliminating [government]" (see https://patriots.win/p/12hRj4ORRX/x/c/4Dx5uPLB4Fg , https://archive.li/gyDmi ), without even considering or thinking through about any possibly efficient and viable substitute. Which shows that you have no sincerity at all whatsoever.
And thus you again distract against, misrepresent, etc., that there are various organized groups that have infiltrated, subverted and taken over government, instead waving it away as "power-hungry people" as the intentionally wrong identification.