Was never going to happen, is my point. Everyone was there for Trump. If he wasn't going to cross the Rubicon - if he was explicitly telling people not to - nobody was going to do it for him.
Trump told everyone to go home. Did you think people were going to listen to you instead of him?
The context was poll watchers being thrown out of counting centers, was it not? And your suggested solution was to have some number of people engage in civil disobedience by forcing their way into these centers to watch the counting or at least disrupt the cheating. Did I misunderstand that?
I don't know where you got the idea this has anything to do with me or my pride. I'm just presenting one theory in response to your suggestion. You can explain why you think that wouldn't happen, or what part of it I don't understand.
I'd like to find a peaceful solution, too. I get into these types of discussions pretty frequently and everyone assumes I'm arguing with them or something but ultimately my goal is to find someone who can ease my worries about the flaws I see and make me think "Wow, that is a good plan, I can get behind that 100%". Instead of calling me low energy, perhaps explain why they aren't going to go full China authoritarian and just.. blockade the tabulation centers after the first time this happens and continue with their cheating? I admit I'd have been pretty incredulous about such heavy handed methods even 6 months ago, but after seeing what they did at the Capitol, it's pretty clear they aren't pretending to care about the optics anymore. Just full force, crush all resistance, bring in the military if they have to.
Their mind is in a constant state of "let's go steal some shoes", they're just waiting for an excuse.
I forgot where it happened but it was last year some time, a black guy was running from the police and killed himself, and everyone started looting clothing stores lmao.
Does it look like it is?
He's printing trillions and that's usually a good indication. The only reason it hasn't is because the dollar is the world currency but there's nothing that says that can't change when the US is in an unfathomable amount of debt and the trust that any of it will ever be paid collapses.
I've been making decent returns investing in companies that don't want to enslave me, and crypto. I don't know what your definition of 'fuck you money' is, but mine isn't something that can be achieved with retail investor money in SPY.
I'm sorry folks but you can only take out so many before they get you
There's more normal people with guns than there are oathbreaking bootlickers.
Every day I grow less attached to this fucking clown world. If I go out and take 2 of them with me that's fine. Great, even. I did my duty. If, eventually, this happens hundreds of times, they'll simply run out of people. If not, I'm not around to see the peak of clown mountain.
I value freedom more than money and it's not even close. What's the % return when the potato half those companies helped force into office crashes the dollar?
By the time that happens we have won because the illegally non observed voting was all but shit down.
Was it? I see them waiting until the oathbreakers kick everyone out, erecting barbwire fences and calling in the NG the next day to resume their fraudulent counting.
just long enough to ruin their plans.
How long is "long enough"? I'm sure if they wanted an extension on the number of days they had to count votes, they would have standing to ask for it in court, citing the "terrorist attack" that delayed the count.
I'm just not really seeing how having a few dozen people show up and stand around is going to stop them from doing anything for more than a day.
Depends on the type of end result you want. The US as a whole is beyond saving IMO. Certainly regions of the South and Midwest are salvageable.
The globalists are doing their best to crash the USD, so personally I'd like a new currency. Our current army is apparently full of trannies and diversity hires, so I'd like a new army, too - not just because it will be capable of doing actual army things, but because we'd need it to defend ourselves from the current army or at least the federal jackboots in the FBI and such. States already have the power to nullify a lot of federal law, so we should do that as much as possible. But a lot of this points to some sort of secession to me even if it's only in name. I'm not versed enough in geopolitics to know whether or not that's feasible but it does check a lot of the boxes as far as solutions.
Now there's definitely a possibility after all of that for a re-united US, but it will still involve bullets and rope.
bring light to an issue is civil disobedience.
Civil disobedience works best in countries with a free press. Whenever I hear someone suggest something nonviolent but still - well, not illegal obviously but in opposition to the State - I ask, what would happen if this took place in China? And the answer is almost always, the state-run media demonizes them and they use however many footsoldiers they need to get rid of the troublemakers. You can't even stand on a street corner in Hong Kong and hold up a poster with something negative about China.
So just out of curiosity, what's the next step in this plan when they send in a fleet of armored SWAT vans to get rid of the 100 people that showed up ("terrorists who breached the polling center to sabotage the vote counting")?
Well, yeah. I mean, the police would make sure the GOP couldn't do any sort of cheating or interfering with the Ds in any way, but even if they didn't, they would make sure there were no consequences for any Ds that did the door kicking.
In every scenario where you try to make these comparisons you have to remember our "rolling over and taking it" is a consequence of acknowledging that they have complete control over law enforcement and prosecution in these areas and there's no short term solution to that that doesn't involve lots of rope and bullets.
Your reaction is so out of place considering what I said I'm concerned you replied to the wrong person. I didn't say or even imply he was the one that told everyone to break into the Capitol because if he did, maybe he'd have given some additional orders about what to do with all the traitors in the city.
But what he did was tell everyone to (peacefully, of course) voice your concerns about the ongoing communist coup, and then go home. Which unfortunately is not a winning strategy in other communist countries.
You can have an entirely non violent event and they'll spend months calling you terrorists and making arrests
Yep, like when those 2A protestors showed up and stood around with guns in Michigan and Hillary called them domestic terrorists because Whitmer "claimed to receive death threats". That's all they have to do. You can do literally nothing and whoever you're protesting will say "They threatened to kill me!" and bam, now you're terrorists.
So this isn't to say optics matter or we should care what the media is saying, but it is a clear reason why peaceful protesting doesn't work in a communist state with state-run media. Remember what happens to protestors in Hong Kong and the like.
Well, he did. "Peacefully go home." Which is why there was never a chance of anything happening at the Capitol. The person who called everyone there wouldn't let it happen.
"Revenue"? Why do they care about that? If they need money for actual government stuff they just print it, if they want money for themselves they take some of that printed money and spend it on a 5T "infrastructure" program or something and just have a few billion of it sent back to themselves. Actual taxes don't really matter anymore.
You’ll be in gulag soon. All because of that “when they come for me” attitude.
they came for Waco. Guess how it ended. Hint: the title of this thread.
They put Waco in the gulag?
They might kill me, whatever, as long as I can take at least one with me it would be worth. I'm not going to a gulag though.
If this was the left they would have literally 1 million people marching through in protest!
You can make the argument that conservatives won't do what needs to be done. It's not protesting, but yeah, very little action has been taken. You can't, however, act like leftists protesting, or rioting for that matter, has accomplished any of this. If it really were as easy as sitting around and waving signs, people would be a lot more motivated.
Where do you see those pink haired starbucks employees 5 years from now? Fucking unemployed because of their insistence on enormous minimum wage and complete lack of understanding of economics. They got a lot of people to protest wall street, remember that? Hippies sitting around? Where's wall street now? Well, big corporations seem stronger and richer than ever. Hmm.
You can make the argument that they want to be slaves to a tyrannical, authoritarian regime - and in that sense, sure, they've been successful. But only because that goal aligns with the goal of the deep state and the rest of the people already in power. Their protests haven't accomplished shit.
Just have a little thought experiment. If Amazon started doing the usual rich-people things and exploiting workers - more than they usually do - do you think any amount of protesting from the braindead plebs would change that, or get the government to impose penalties on companies like that who regularly lobby 7 figures? Do you think that if 5 million conservatives showed up to protest this, a figure far beyond your measurements, that Biden's handlers would have anything but contempt for that?
The best we can do is nullify this at a state level. And that's already happening, in several places.
I believe the proper term is neofeudal technofascist oligarchy.
I said report to them that you did them. Keep your fucking guns handy and ready.
For what? Any circumstance where you actually need to use them means reporting anything was worthless, which makes me wonder what circumstances exist where you would actually bother using them.
And by the way... it’s a fucking joke man!
Yeah and it's way too prolific for how not funny it is. This sort of thing has happened in other countries, yeah? Guess what happened to them? Not things I'm inclined to joke about
Dumbass. When the feds show up to your house and you tell them "Teehee I lost them all" they're just going to say "We don't believe you, turn around and put your hands together"
2A wasn't written so people could just put their guns in a box underground when the government decided it was time to tread.
No, I think the opposite. If you're going to "Storm the Capitol", you should do it with guns and rope.
He's wrong about it making them change their minds, they were always going to certify the fraud, it just gave them a good excuse.
But if you take a shot at the king - or in this case, the swamp - you want to make sure it, you know, ends them. 1/6 missed. Now they're in charge, and they're more determined than ever to oppress us for daring to tarnish the sanctity of their ivory temple with our plebeian shoes.
Think about how this would work in China, because that's basically where we're headed. They can either keep their heads down and bow to the system, or hang Xi and take control for themselves. If they walk up to the seat of his power and spit in his face (without any sort of weapons), what do you think happens next?
will Biden/handlers drop the hammer on the rioters (dunno).
If they stick to burning McDonald's and looting TVs from local appliance stores? No. If for some reason they go to the mayor's office? Absolutely. But there aren't any $700 shoes at the mayor's office so they probably won't.
There's a new strain of the flu every year. Have you always been washing dorito bags?
Do you think, if you posted statistics including asians, whites would start chimping? If someone posted a graph suggesting asians do better in college, have more generational wealth (are generally more successful), commit less crime etc. than white people in the US.
Would that make you feel unwelcome? I'm not uncomfortable with facts. There are obvious cultural reasons for all of those things and we can't take action without acknowledging that. I can say at the very least there are parts of asian culture we should be trying to emulate to improve as an ethnic group. Why is it blacks and latinos aren't capable of thinking that way, in your opinion?