Bro, men are simply put in situations where they'd have to kill much more often than women. And women do kill too lol it's just not directly (instead of murder, they'll try to cause a suicide, for example). Saying this stuff, especially as it pertains to filicide, is NOT incel rhetoric because incels don't talk about this stuff. Just because someone paints women in a negative light doesn't mean they are an incel, that's the weakest attempt at rationalizing away an argument that I've ever heard. Moms don't do as much as a dad lol I'm sorry to say. If you think that they do, then you're simply brainwashed or pussy-whipped.
Attraction is the most import thing in a relationship though. Without it, nothing else matters because then you're literally just roommates.
Also, women already have security with kids no matter what. If you aren't married and have kids with a woman, she can still take you to court and force you to pay. Marriage only ensures that she gets more than what she would deserve otherwise. It's only considered "security" insofar as a huge lump sum bonus for someone with a stable career is considered "financial security".
Gynocentric laws in a gynocentric society. Or soyciety, I should say...
It takes 2 to make a relationship work, and the idealistic mentality that you have is in part to blame for the dating mess we're currently in. Hold your fellow man accountable, sure. But also hold your fellow female accountable too, that's my point. Men are already held accountable; women are NOT. Plus, we also have to factor in that weak men and simps will always exist. By saying for men to control themselves, you're ironically pushing for something that cannot be controlled—other people. If you're gonna push for something like that, then you might as well push for it on both genders (side note: there's only 2 genders). Only blaming men will only get us so far. You'll need to change the culture as well so that women follow suit.
Then you're brainwashed bro lmao there's nothing else to it. Just because you (think that you) have a good woman doesn't mean that all women are. In fact, if you take you're head out of the sand, you'll find that the vast majority of women are utter shit.
The realization of this was the first and original redpill that started the counterculture backlash against the decadence and depravity of/caused by liberalism.
He was Jewish, Christian, and Muslim all at the same time. This is according to all of the scriptures of those religions lol.
Projection/
You were raised by a single mom.
Women will never ever marry men that make less than them. It just doesn’t happen. That’s extremely rare. The best play is to not get married at all. Get her a ring, call her your wife maybe, but do not sign those God-forsaken papers.
The difference is, shit men were scolded by society into oblivion. That’s why they’re shit.
Women were shit simply because they chose to be, and did so with the full backing of modern society.
Sorry bro but this is so extremely flawed, you have no idea. Stories about boxers and fighters getting their champion title belts taken away from them make me want to hurl. That’s not fair. No matter how you spin it, that is not fair. Child support is raised exponentially to screw the man far more than the woman. Why should a man be paying $7,000 a month for 1 child when said child doesn’t even cost HALF of that?
I’ll tell you why—it’s because these laws are gynocentric bullshit.
Also, women are NOT more nurturing and patient with childcare duties, that’s another bullshit societal trope that is completely false. Women commit filicide more often than men do. That alone destroys the wOmYn aRe mOrE nUrTuRiNg narrative.
Cool story bro but if this were implemented then literally no one would be getting married.
Sorry bro but being more religious isn’t gonna make your woman fall in love with you, it just doesn’t work that way. You could be a prophet of God and women will still spit on you. Fact is, attraction is needed in order to make a relationship work, and just cuz you pray to God everyday doesn’t mean women are gonna wanna have sex with you. If anything, being a lowdown degenerate scum does lol.
Also, there are WAYYYYY more drawbacks to getting legally married than not. It’s not even remotely close. There are stories of world champion boxers are fighters who have to give their Champion Title belt to a woman because of divorce. You’re out of touch with reality if you think these gynocentric laws in this bullshit gynocentric society has any benefit to men in the modern era. Civilization is on the downturn and humanity is headed towards extinction because of it. Enjoy the decline.
Word. You had women like Lauren Southern who are “conservative” woman literally having tales of her giving BJs to dudes and shit. So much for a conservative woman hahahaha
Sorry hon but it takes two to make a relationship work. Jackass over here is saying that it rests solely on the man, but forgets that women nowadays are utter shit. Saying that it’s “your fault” as a man for picking the wrong woman is asinine because the fact is, most women are trash to begin with. Sorry not sorry. There just simply aren’t enough good women to go around. End of.
Such a shortsighted, overly-idealistic, and quite frankly idiotic response.
Women FIGHT with you as a man because of the bullshit feminism and liberalism that infected their minds. You’re a fucking dumbass. Kill yourself, retard.
Jesus was Muslim.
Bro are you stupid? They were the ones assaulted first. Persians killed their emissaries, as did the Christians. That would be like China and Iran killing all our US ambassadors. That’s a call to war, especially back then.
But ofc people have the audacity (more like lack of education, really) to say that Islam was the aggressor. Lol.
Gtfo.
Stay salty.
It was originally apart of the Middle East but Rome (Europe) went ahead and conquered it anyway and tried saying it was theirs lol like wut?
Dunno if you read all that and their sources but the Muslims were usually attacked first lol
Hey sorry I'm responding super late, I started my reply but just got sidetracked the last several days due to other reasons...
You're just dismissing me too. I don't see how the bible saying that women were excited by men who were well hung and virile is a shocking thing.
I'm not trying to, really, I was just trying to show that it's hypocritical to complain about Islam having bothersome verses when without applying the same measure of criticism to Christianity/Judaism as well. Also because you can't expect me to believe that the Holy Spirit guided someone to write this verse, like that was ALL human right there. Sounds like erotica to me.
The Philistines are NOT the same group as the Palestinians, despite the name. That would be like saying that antifa is anti-fascist because of the name. Palestinians come from nomadic Arabs who were in the Middle East, I don't know where. But reports of Israel show it being mostly deserted, and the Palestinians were NOT there. Even Mark Twain wrote about this. It IS true that the very Orthodox Jews are anti-Zionist for the reasons you give. The question of "who has rights to land" are complex. We certainly have our ideas and preferences, but I think ultimately a lot of it comes down to might makes right and possession being 9/10 of the law. That's another story though, I don't know why you're bringing that up. I only brought up the part about Jerusalem to say that the chapter you cite is well known and is not some kooky bit of scripture.
Oh I thought it was just a general attack on Islam/Muslims. I do disagree with the Palestinian sentiment though. While it's true that Arabs came and settled in the region, that does not mean the Palestinians of today aren't descendants of the Philistines. (Some) Arabs simply intermarried with them just as they did with Jews. The etymology for the word "Palestine" came from the Greeks, specifically in Mycenaean Greek. The Greeks (directly across the sea from them) began calling the region as Palestine ("Philistia") once the Philistines had 5 city-states. The word "Palestine" matches "Philistia" in nearly all ancient languages, denoting that they're the exact same people. The etymology for the word itself is what gives us the historical evidence that they're the same people. Antifa really was antifascist once, for example. But you disagree with this, so I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree.
I do make excuses for how people acted in different time periods, and how people evolved over time. I don't judge Muslims based on how barbaric they were in 700 AD, but based on the fact that they continue to be that barbaric today, in a continuous line, while other cultures have moderated. By the way, in war all peoples have killed babies. When we bombed Dresden lots of babies were burned to a crisp. Likewise Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Maybe that isn't as intimate as bashing a baby's head against a rock, I'll agree. But there is a reason for the saying "war is hell", and again, I DO judge ancient cultures differently.
Not trying to get all liberal here, but isn't this indicative of a superiority complex? You're imposing your sense of cultural superiority onto others and are saying "they bad, me good", which is only due to Western hegemony making you think Western principles are greater than others; in other words, your looking at it from a modern Western lens but fail to see how these aren't modern Western people. The first thing you must realize is that because the Deep State hates them, they're going to use negative propaganda about them, even if its Fake News. This by itself is skewing your perception since it occurred before you woke up to mass media dissemination operations. Secondly, you aren't applying fair criticism to Islam as you are others. You just think you are. If there are 1.8 billion Muslims in the world (20-25% of the world population), and all of them are following Islam in the way you say they do, then why aren't there more acts of terrorism? This could only mean 1 of 2 things: either the modern Muslim is simply just not following Islam as prescribed (which would mean your criticisms are unfair since, under your own personal beliefs, you don't judge a religion based on what they did during ancient times), or you don't really understand Islam (which would ALSO mean your criticisms are unfair). This is what I mean by hypocrisy. And it's nothing against you personally, but many people do it and try to justify the cognitive dissonance with extreme mental gymnastics.
Believe all the women who are beaten in Islamic cultures. Remember that practice is more important than theory. I also do not agree that the theory is to beat a woman without hurting her according to the scripture, but that's just me.
I am trying to give you a common sense response to a point that you initially brought up. I want you to educate yourself. But I am not trying to wage an ideological battle with you here. I don't gain much from that. I want you to have access to both sides and be able to make up your own mind. If you and I disagree at the end of that, so be it. I don't think there is much I could do to convince you.
In practice the women hit their men more than the reverse lol. But that exists everywhere tbh, it's just not reported (women actually commit domestic violence more than men do, but people don't know about it due to skewed media/societal narratives). But as for it being a toothbrush and not to hurt her, etc., I showed you a source for it and you still refuse to accept it. That's what I meant when I said to check your ego. You aren't being objective because it means you would have to admit to yourself that perhaps you were wrong. If you ever want to be sure to come to the truth, always show some skepticism and critical analysis, but also always be willing to admit that you're wrong, too. The Qur'an itself isn't taken alone as the sole source of Islamic jurisprudence, hadith literature is as well. The way we know that Muslims are told not to beat their wives (don't strike the face, don't leave a mark, no pain, etc.) comes form the hadith literature; according to several hadiths, some Muslims came to Prophet Muhammad SAW when the verse was revealed with same concerns you stated, and this was what they were told. It's not just me making this up out of thin air to "ease the blow" or anything like that. if you go to a mosque and ask about this, they'll tell you the same thing. Go to several, in fact, and you'll be told this.
The original point was a comparison of some ideologies like Islam vs others like Christianity. So from my point of view since the Hadith is influential throughout Islam, I think it's fair game. It may not be as simple as I think, but the proof is in the pudding and the culture from all Islamic countries is more violent overall than Christian countries, and it's directly because of Islam and how it is taught.
I gotchu, just making the distinction between what is and isn't considered holy.
As for what you were saying, I disagree that it's because of Islam. The reason being—why did terrorism never even exist before 9/11? Why did it never exist before there were political motivations for it to exist? Why would "terrorism" occur now that there is no infrastructure that would allow it to even develop in the first place? Islamic countries are completely destroyed right now and are less religious than they were 50+ years ago when they weren't destroyed; yet why are these "terrorist" attacks occurring now when they have less ability to conduct attacks and don't even have the means to teach Islam as well as they used to AND are less religious overall than they used to be? These things don't add up.
You are trying to look for reasons to prove a point rather than see the facts as they are.
I'm not convinced by those ideas, but I agree, let's not digress.
Supposedly there are over 5,000 honor killings a year, possibly much higher https://www.cbsnews.com/news/honor-killing-under-growing-scrutiny-in-the-us/
Which was banned by Prophet Muhammad SAW. But of course, people like you don't know that. And like FGM, it's practiced by non-Muslims just as much (or higher) than Muslims in those regions. But, people don't know that either...
I'll have to look into that, though I do believe it possible that it could be an African thing rather than a Muslim thing. But from my conversations with ex-Muslims I do know that Islam is very oppressive to women generally, so maybe it fit in well. Labiaplasty does not remove the ability to have sensation in the genitals while FGM does, from what I understand.
It's not practiced by Muslims everywhere, and many Muslims don't even know it exists. That's how you know it's lcalized to a specific region rather than a doctrine of Islam. Also, Islam isn't oppressive towards women lol they just were made to feel that way because of either familial trauma or liberalism/feminism infecting their minds like here in the West (the latter of which, btw, was meant as a way to destabilize the West so that communism can take over; that's why first-wave and second-wave feminism along with the push towards liberalism during both those eras coincided with the First Red Scare and the Second Red Scare).
But that aside, labiplasty is the same procedure as FGM. It's just that there are different levels to it, and labiaplasty typically only refers to the first level. But you can still ask a plastic/cosmetic/gynecologist surgeon to do it and they will; some in the West may be against it but I'm fairly certain most wouldn't mind, considering that transgenderism exists....
Maybe you can, but I can't. I'm not here to just fight with you as I said. I want to put out the other side for you and anybody interested to see. If you do your own homework and come to a different conclusion than me, and maybe we haven't seen the same things are interpreted them the same way, well, that's a shame, but that's about as far as I'll go with it. I don't need to try to make you agree with me.
That's the thing—you aren't presenting the other side. I am. Everything you've stated thus far is apart of the standard narrative and can be easily found by mere surface-level digging. Everything that I've said on the other hand have been things you either refused to believe were true, were in complete denial about, or simply just didn't know (usually some combination of all 3). The stuff I've mentioned goes much deeper than the stuff you've read about. It's akin to thinking Orange Man = bad, and then once you start doing your own research, you realize that Orange Man = good. And now that you've realized that I've done my homework on this matter (on theology and science overall), you now claim that you don't want to continue to argue whereas before you were somewhat overconfident. This is an ego defense mechanism because you've invested a part of your pride into this belief of yours, for whatever reason. Like I said, if you want to come to the truth, you'll need to be willing to admit that you're wrong.
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As for your other comments (running out of space), I don't believe that this trauma is caused by Islam because I know many men who suffered more than their sisters did due to the parents using Islam as an excuse. Shitty families are gonna be shitty regardless of religion bro, it's just the way it is. My dismissal of "other sources", as you put it, comes from the fact that everything they've said has been refuted before. It's not me dismissing their arguments, it's me noting that all their arguments are the same. I've considered everything you've said and more, but you haven't considered everything that I've said. This is where our differences lie.
Do check out Farid Responds, he addresses everything you mention and more.
That was in response to Christian attacks on the Muslims you uneducated buffoon. You don't start a fight and complain about retaliation, wtf?
Have you forgotten how the Christians attacked the Muslims first? How stupid are you?
Yes. False flag "terrorist" attacks as a psyop to fuel the war effort that they also used to take away our rights (e.g. Patriot Act). Then when they destroyed those middle eastern countries for fun, they only show one side of the story (theirs) to make people hate Islam/Muslims for no real reason. Other times they'll commit even more psyops just to inflame tensions for further excuse to destabilize and destroy the region.
I worship God, and God alone. You worship this worldly life, i.e. the devil.